BRU winter 2011/2012: latest news, routes, airlines

[RoMax]

In Hainan's newest PDF timetable there is a new destination visible, Madrid. However Hainan hasn't announced this yet and it's not loaded in the GDS either, so it's not sure if it will go trough.

Madrid would be operated two weekly as a tag-on of the Shangai-Brussels route, two times a week (Monday and Friday) as from 19 September.

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HU7907 PVG0030 – 0720BRU0920 – 1120MAD 330 15
HU7908 MAD1320 – 1520BRU1720 – 1050+1PVG 330 15

http://airlineroute.net/2011/07/29/hu-mad-sep11/

However, I just checked their PDF shedule, and indeed MAD trough BRU is mentionned, but BRU- PVG will go back to 3 weekly later this year and that's not mentionned by airlineroute. So the PVG-BRU-MAD-BRU-PVG flights would be 3 weekly also (Monday, Wednesday, Friday).

[sn26567]

Madrid would be operated two weekly as a tag-on of the Shangai-Brussels route.

This reminds me the time when China Eastern (MU) was flying Beijing-Brussels-Madrid and v/v with an A340.

[airtrotter]

In Hainan's newest PDF timetable there is a new destination visible, Madrid. However Hainan hasn't announced this yet and it's not loaded in the GDS either, so it's not sure if it will go trough.

Madrid would be operated two weekly as a tag-on of the Shangai-Brussels route, two times a week (Monday and Friday) as from 19 September.

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HU7907 PVG0030 – 0720BRU0920 – 1120MAD 330 15
HU7908 MAD1320 – 1520BRU1720 – 1050+1PVG 330 15

http://airlineroute.net/2011/07/29/hu-mad-sep11/

However, I just checked their PDF shedule, and indeed MAD trough BRU is mentionned, but BRU- PVG will go back to 3 weekly later this year and that's not mentionned by airlineroute. So the PVG-BRU-MAD-BRU-PVG flights would be 3 weekly also (Monday, Wednesday, Friday).

has PVG-BRU ever been more than 3 weekly (I even think it's only 2 weekly this summer) ?
PEK-BRU is 4 weekly and remains so in Winter 11/12 afaik.

Will the MAD tag-on have 5th freedom rights?

[RoMax]

has PVG-BRU ever been more than 3 weekly (I even think it's only 2 weekly this summer) ?
PEK-BRU is 4 weekly and remains so in Winter 11/12 afaik.

Will the MAD tag-on have 5th freedom rights?

No I don't think PVG-BRU was ever more than 3 weekly, and indeed reduced to 2 weekly this summer.

[sn26567]

Airline Route gives the timetable of the new Jetairfly routes:

Belgium’s Jetairfly in Winter 2011 season is introducing new service to Oran in Algeria, Bangkok and Phuket in Thailand, Santo Domingo in Dominican Republic.

Planned schedules and routes as follows:

eff 31OCT11 Brussels – Santo Domingo – Punta Cana – Brussels 1 weekly

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 TB103 BRU1145 – 1645SDQ 76W 1
 TB104 SDQ1745 – 1830PUJ1955 – 0950+1BRU 76W 1

eff 01NOV11 Brussels Charleroi – Oran 1 weekly

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 TB2817 CRL2230 – 0120+1ORN 73W 2
 TB2818 ORN0325 – 0630CRL 73W 3

eff 05NOV11 Brussels – Phuket – Bangkok – Brussels 1 weekly

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 TB623 BRU1400 – 0735+1HKT 76W 6
 TB624 HKT0835 – 0950BKK1120 – 1835BRU 76W 7

[RoMax]

Aeroflot has changed his mind already some times about the amount of flights to BRU (ok, a lot had to do with bilateral agreements). After they upgraded from daily to 8 weekly they planned double daily for comming winter, but some time later they planned 8 weekly again. (And later SN announced to go 10 weekly to Moscow).
Now they changed their mind again, now they plan 9 weekly BRU-SVO for this winter season.

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SU235 SVO1115 – 1155BRU 320 x135
SU231 SVO2200 – 2240BRU 320 67
SU231 SVO2225 – 2255BRU 320 135

SU236 BRU1245 – 1915SVO 320 x135
SU232 BRU2335 – 0605+1SVO 320 67
SU232 BRU2355 – 0610+1SVO 320 135

http://airlineroute.net/2011/08/01/su-e ... 11update3/

[RoMax]

As from late September Alitalia will start receiving their new E175's (15) and E190's (5) and the initial routes to get these aircraft are known (and loaded in GDS).

And one of the routes is BRU-LIN wich will get 1 daily E190 (isn't this 3 daily A319 now? I remember the E170 performed the route before, but I don't think it's still doing it).

Anyway, nice to see a new type of Alitalia in Brussels.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forum ... n/5221942/

[sn26567]

Changes for US Airways on route Philadelphia – Brussels :

• 29NOV11 – 15DEC11 Reduce from 6 weekly to 5 weekly (5 weekly in Winter 2010 operated between Jan and Mar 2011)
• 03JAN12 – 28FEB12 Service maintained at 6 weekly (Same period in 2011 was 5 weekly)

Source: Airline Route

[sn26567]

Atlanta – Brussels: 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
New York JFK – Brussels: Boeing 767-300ER replaces 757-200 used in Winter 2010


Source: Airline Route

[RoMax]

Atlanta – Brussels: 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
New York JFK – Brussels: Boeing 767-300ER replaces 757-200 used in Winter 2010


Source: Airline Route

It seems a lot of the ATL/JFK-Europe routes are being reduced from daily to 5 weekly in the comming winter season, quite some routes are even (temporary) cancelled. But this isn't a suprise. DL (and their transatlantic joint venture partners like AF/KL and Alitalia) announced they would seriously reduce capacity to save fuel costs, this winter.

Bit 'suprising' they replace B752 with B763 on JFK-BRU (I tought it was mostly 763 in summer and 752 or 5 weekly B763 in winter, the previous years, or am I wrong?). Do they see increasing demand or/and do they want to try to get a bigger market share in this market before SN enters the market shortly after winter?
Anyway, BRU seems to be one of the few to get more capacity from JFK this winter.

[Comet]

BMI have axed one of their flights between LBA and BRU - BD1613/4 leaving just the early morning flight and early evening flights from LBA, neither of which operate on a Saturday and only one of which operates on a Sunday.

As a passenger affected by this it is damned inconvenient, especially when the airline did not tell us our flights had been cancelled and we had been rebooked onto the later ones

[LJ]

Bit 'suprising' they replace B752 with B763 on JFK-BRU (I tought it was mostly 763 in summer and 752 or 5 weekly B763 in winter, the previous years, or am I wrong?). Do they see increasing demand or/and do they want to try to get a bigger market share in this market before SN enters the market shortly after winter?
Anyway, BRU seems to be one of the few to get more capacity from JFK this winter.

This is a capacity reduction. A daily 757 means around 1,200 seats whereas 5 weekly 767s is around 1,000 seats. The only increase is in cargo capacity and in the number of premium seats (from 140 to more than 150, excluding premium economy) Given the fact that the main reason for this reduction in frequency is to prevent having to dump cheap Y seats on the market, the 767 is logical.

[Sikiri]

BMI have axed one of their flights between LBA and BRU - BD1613/4 leaving just the early morning flight and early evening flights from LBA, neither of which operate on a Saturday and only one of which operates on a Sunday. As a passenger affected by this it is damned inconvenient, especially when the airline did not tell us our flights had been cancelled and we had been rebooked onto the later ones

Very annoying indeed.I was wondering about something, which routes does BMI regional operate this winter for SN? I noticed, when I tried to book, that the Birmingham flights are now operated on SN's Avros. A quick look at Bristol and Newcastle show that they are still operated by an ERJ145. Is BMI regional operating another route for SN as a replacement of the BHX flight?
I checked ch-aviation and noted something else which I find odd. According to them CS-TEX, and A310-300 from hifly is operating for SN. An error by ch-aviation?

[HighInTheSky]

I noticed, when I tried to book, that the Birmingham flights are now operated on SN's Avros. A quick look at Bristol and Newcastle show that they are still operated by an ERJ145. Is BMI regional operating another route for SN as a replacement of the BHX flight?

BHX is always, and has always been, operated by SN ARJ...

[RoMax]

This is a capacity reduction. A daily 757 means around 1,200 seats whereas 5 weekly 767s is around 1,000 seats. The only increase is in cargo capacity and in the number of premium seats (from 140 to more than 150, excluding premium economy) Given the fact that the main reason for this reduction in frequency is to prevent having to dump cheap Y seats on the market, the 767 is logical.

I didn't realize the frequency reduction as it wasn't clearly mentionned (altough it was mentionned before indeed). But a fast check of amadeus shows me 6 weekly B767 by DL on JFK-BRU and not 5 weekly (checked 3 weeks around November/December).
So it seems the capacity stays almost the same, except for offering more cargo space and more premium seats.

[LJ]

I didn't realize the frequency reduction as it wasn't clearly mentionned (altough it was mentionned before indeed). But a fast check of amadeus shows me 6 weekly B767 by DL on JFK-BRU and not 5 weekly (checked 3 weeks around November/December).
So it seems the capacity stays almost the same, except for offering more cargo space and more premium seats.

No, it's my mistake. I read somewhere that they reduced JFK-BRU to 5 weekly as well, but when looking on delta.com they remain at daily. Thus indeed an increase of 270 seats weekly (and these are mostly premium seats).

[Bralo20]

In Hainan's newest PDF timetable there is a new destination visible, Madrid. However Hainan hasn't announced this yet and it's not loaded in the GDS either, so it's not sure if it will go trough.

Madrid would be operated two weekly as a tag-on of the Shangai-Brussels route, two times a week (Monday and Friday) as from 19 September.

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HU7907 PVG0030 – 0720BRU0920 – 1120MAD 330 15
HU7908 MAD1320 – 1520BRU1720 – 1050+1PVG 330 15

http://airlineroute.net/2011/07/29/hu-mad-sep11/

However, I just checked their PDF shedule, and indeed MAD trough BRU is mentionned, but BRU- PVG will go back to 3 weekly later this year and that's not mentionned by airlineroute. So the PVG-BRU-MAD-BRU-PVG flights would be 3 weekly also (Monday, Wednesday, Friday).

This phantomroute has allready vanished out of the online timetable of HU... So it won't happen

[Boeing767copilot]

Air France ouvre Bruxelles et Düsseldorf depuis Nantes

BRU: 11 flight per week with E135

http://www.quotidiendutourisme.com/site ... 61412.html

[RoMax]

Recently (4 August) OLT announced that they would stop most of their routes. 100 of the 120 people working for the airline would lose their job. Only the flights from Emden to Helgoland and Borkum would stay. But also in August OLT was bought by Amber gold (a Polish company), Amber Gold also bought the Polish Jet Air (wich operated the BRU-BRE route during the last months). Both companies form OLT Jetair. And it seems they plan more than just the two routes OLT was planning for this winter.

They will relaunch the Bremen-Brussels route on 2 November. It will be 9 weekly operated by a Jet Air with a Jetstream 32.

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OL160 BRE0650 – 0810BRU J32 x567
OL166 BRE1720 – 1840BRU J32 x67

OL161 BRU0845 – 1005BRE J32 x567
OL167 BRU1915 – 2035BRE J32 x67

And ZRH will not be cancelled as first planned, but it will even increase from 14 to 17 weekly operated by a Saab 2000 (these were supposed to leave the fleet, together with the F100's wich they don't need anymore after loosing the Airbus contract)

[SabenaForever]

The Brussels-Seville flight from Brussels Airlines becomes seasonal. From 13 November till 19 February there are no flights.

source: Brussels Airlines.com