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RoMax wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 20:30
Ansett wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 15:39 OK, a positive article for once.
But indeed also plain wrong when the journalist says SN and BRU benefit from the support of the LG Group (makes me laugh) and when A.F. says that BRU has become an important hub for the LH Group and Star Alliance it makes me :lol:
Of course it's just a little detail that BRU is one of the largest international transfer hubs in the full Star Alliance network based on hard facts rather than a personal grudge against LH :roll:
One of the largest after FRA, IST, MUC, ZRH, VIE, CPH, LIS, ADD, PTY, BKK and SIN you mean? :?

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Jetter wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 20:46
RoMax wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 20:30
Ansett wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 15:39 OK, a positive article for once.
But indeed also plain wrong when the journalist says SN and BRU benefit from the support of the LG Group (makes me laugh) and when A.F. says that BRU has become an important hub for the LH Group and Star Alliance it makes me :lol:
Of course it's just a little detail that BRU is one of the largest international transfer hubs in the full Star Alliance network based on hard facts rather than a personal grudge against LH :roll:
One of the largest after FRA, IST, MUC, ZRH, VIE, CPH, LIS, ADD, PTY, BKK and SIN you mean? :?
Airports like VIE, CPH, Lis, etc might be bigger hubs overall or with a bigger Star member as home carrier , but are not bigger Star Alliance transfer hubs as BRU.
I don't know the exact current position, but at least a few years ago BRU was the 5th largest international transfer hub in the global Star network.

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RoMax wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 21:28
Jetter wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 20:46
RoMax wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 20:30
Of course it's just a little detail that BRU is one of the largest international transfer hubs in the full Star Alliance network based on hard facts rather than a personal grudge against LH :roll:
One of the largest after FRA, IST, MUC, ZRH, VIE, CPH, LIS, ADD, PTY, BKK and SIN you mean? :?
Airports like VIE, CPH, Lis, etc might be bigger hubs overall or with a bigger Star member as home carrier , but are not bigger Star Alliance transfer hubs as BRU.
I don't know the exact current position, but at least a few years ago BRU was the 5th largest international transfer hub in the global Star network.
Ì've seen overall data by airline (including codeshare and alliance partners) and airport. Admittedly it doesn't exclude domestic flights as part of the itinerary and therefore maybe BRU is larger internationally than VIE, CPH, LIS, ADD and BKK.

But ZRH, PTY, SIN, FRA, IST and MUC either have way more connecting passengers on a Star-carrier than BRU or more connecting passengers and no/few domestic passengers. Thus 7th is the highest possible counting only international-international transfer passengers. You could still call that 'one of the largest', but it's a bit of a stretch. Curious about your source though.

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Ansett wrote: 24 Dec 2019, 15:46
luchtzak wrote: 23 Dec 2019, 12:56 Brussels Airport Company is building a 5G-ready network at the airport in collaboration with Finnish Nokia and Belgian operator Citymesh. As one of the first sites in Belgium with 5G technology, the airport is able to speed up its operational efficiency and support further technological innovation. Brussels Airport will put the 5G-ready network into operation towards the end of March.

https://www.aviation24.be/airports/brus ... g-network/

OK, very good.
But honestly, I thought there would have been other priorities.
BRU having certain issues doesn't mean they can't work on other developments.

Besides, installing a 5G-network is basicly pulling some cables and installing some antennas troughout the airport.

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Mind you, there is even no mention of a 5G network.
What is mentioned is a 5G-ready network - whatever that may mean.

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jan_olieslagers wrote: 25 Dec 2019, 09:49 Mind you, there is even no mention of a 5G network.
What is mentioned is a 5G-ready network - whatever that may mean.
Network up and running but no equipment?

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Many people are pessimistic about Aviation in Belgium, but in France, we have another view. For us, Brussels is a hub, with a huge potential. Brussels is a must have destination, from French Airport, like London.
The Belgium national flag carrier has postive feedbacks, when we talk about flights to Africa.

SN flights are well filled at Paris. Lots of bag tags to (FIH) Kinshasa, (DSS) Dakar or Abidjan (ABJ).

The bashing is probably bigger against Air France (lazy people, overpaid people always in strike) and Paris Roissy (badest airport in the Europe, expansive Airport, it's not an airport but a mall center, long queues at Immigration desk..) in France, than Brussels Airlines and Brussels Airport, in Belgium. You can even sometimes see on twitter, staff from Paris Aeroport and staff from Air France to brawl (with sometimes with insults) about bag pbs, air bridge pbs, in front of thousand followers!!

Brussels Airport, a thorn in the side of Air France-KLM

By becoming one of the hubs of the Lufthansa group and its Star Alliance, Brussels airport has managed to find its place between Roissy-Charles de Gaulle and Amsterdam-Schiphol, by diverting part of Air France's customers- KLM.

If the French market is the delight of foreign airlines, which today represent more than 60% of traffic, it also does the business of certain foreign airports. This is particularly true of Brussels-Zaventem Airport (Brussels Airport). With some 750,000 passengers from France in 2018 out of a total traffic of more than 26 million passengers, Brussels Airport could be in 20th place in the ranking of French airports - ahead of Pau, Toulon and around fifty others. According to its managing director, Arnaud Feist, Brussels should even cross the symbolic milestone of one million French passengers by 2021.

Stuck between Roissy-CDG and Amsterdam-Schiphol


At first glance, the position of Brussels Airport, wedged between the hubs of Roissy-CDG and Amsterdam-Schiphol, is however not ideal for those who wish to develop an offer of long-haul destinations there. The bankruptcy of the former Belgian national company Sabena in 2001, which had caused it to lose a third of its traffic, had illustrated the difficulty of standing between the French hammer and the Dutch anvil.

But this geographic position also has its advantages. “We are at the heart of a catchment area of ​​15 million inhabitants within 1 hour 30 minutes from the airport, which includes the north of France, the south of the Netherlands and the west of Germany , explains its director. Unlike others which are reaching saturation, we still have the possibility of developing and we remain an airport on a human scale, which the passengers appreciate.

A Star Alliance hub

Since 2009, Brussels Airport has also benefited from another major asset: the support of the Lufthansa group, which has become the sole shareholder of Brussels Airlines. This has enabled it to find an offer worthy of a real international airport, with no less than 82 long-haul destinations to 43 countries, in Asia, North America and Africa. “We have become one of the hubs of the Lufthansa group and the Star Alliance, which represent 65% of traffic, explains Arnaud Feist. Strategically, it was important for the Lufthansa group to develop in Brussels so as not to abandon the North to Air France-KLM and the Skyteam alliance ”.

Attractive destinations and prices

This solid bridgehead between Roissy-CDG and Schiphol allows Brussels Airlines and the Lufthansa group to divert part of Air France's lucrative clientele to Africa, with a network of 43 African destinations inherited from the late Sabena and often cheaper rates. Added to this are lower taxes and fees in Brussels than at Roissy-CDG, which make the Belgian airport a departure point that is both closer and more financially advantageous than Roissy-CDG for the inhabitants of the North of France wishing to go to America or Asia. By way of comparison, the amount of taxes and fees is 88.30 euros for a Brussels-New York on Delta in eco class, against 110.90 euros (151 euros in business class) for the same flight on the same company at departure from Roissy-CDG.

The solution to Schiphol's saturation

However, Roissy-CDG is not the only one to feel the effects of competition from Brussels airport. For the past two years, it has also benefited from the saturation of Amsterdam-Schiphol airport, which is legally capped at 250,000 aircraft movements per year. Unable to develop at home, Transavia Holland, the low-cost subsidiary of KLM, even based two devices there from next summer. With around ten line openings, including Brussels-Montpellier. After having successfully attracted the French market, will Brussels airport become the second Amsterdam airport?

https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-servi ... lm-1158566

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rwandan-flyer wrote: 25 Dec 2019, 17:25
SN flights are well filled at Paris. Lots of bag tags to (FIH) Kinshasa, (DSS) Dakar or Abidjan (ABJ).
Of course there are a lot of connecting passengers on CDG-BRU, these flights are only bootable as connecting flights... But a significant portion of these passengers traveled from Brussels to Paris by FlixBus first because CDG-BRU-FIH is cheaper than BRU-FIH. Often the ones who check their bags in the evening before.
From Brussels Midi train station AF is often cheaper than SN as well.

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BIn deed, but the most important thing is that they use Brussels Airlines and they make a stop at Brussels.

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Check out this video regarding infrastructure plans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KKgXJMhwo

I certainly hope BRU continues to grow, it deserves it.
Good news SQ to resume pax flights from SIN after years of absence. This will encourage even more pax transfers in BRU. More traffic from Asia/Oceania through BRU to Africa and Europe and beyond. Also a Aeroflot codeshare agreement just announced certainly can't hurt.

I think Asiana Airlines should start pax flights from ICN to BRU to connect ICN pax to Europe, Africa. They use to fly to AMS, but as a Star Alliance member, I thought that choosing AMS instead of BRU was unfortunate for Star Alliance. BRU would be their only destination in the Benelux, and they already have cargo service, and generally pax service follows.

Also, Air India I think should fly maybe a B787 from either Delhi or Mumbai to BRU in codeshare agreement with SN. I know SN didn't receive the anticipated profit from a BRU-MUM flight, but I think Air India (with an Indian product), along with a B787 could do the trick.

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Asiana airlines flies on AMS? I don't think ... except to be wrong ...CDG LHR or FRA...

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nordikcam wrote: 26 Dec 2019, 12:15 Asiana airlines flies on AMS? I don't think ... except to be wrong ...CDG LHR or FRA...
KOREAN AIRLINES flies AMS. And of course daily flights by KLM to Incheon.

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Poiu wrote: 25 Dec 2019, 18:11 Of course there are a lot of connecting passengers on CDG-BRU, these flights are only bootable as connecting flights... But a significant portion of these passengers traveled from Brussels to Paris by FlixBus first because CDG-BRU-FIH is cheaper than BRU-FIH. Often the ones who check their bags in the evening before.
From Brussels Midi train station AF is often cheaper than SN as well.
It would be interesting to know how many pax from Brussels Midi connect at CDG.

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convair wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 10:48
Poiu wrote: 25 Dec 2019, 18:11 Of course there are a lot of connecting passengers on CDG-BRU, these flights are only bootable as connecting flights... But a significant portion of these passengers traveled from Brussels to Paris by FlixBus first because CDG-BRU-FIH is cheaper than BRU-FIH. Often the ones who check their bags in the evening before.
From Brussels Midi train station AF is often cheaper than SN as well.
It would be interesting to know how many pax from Brussels Midi connect at CDG.
From experience, the AF agency@ Bruxelles Midi is where I book all my AF long haul, but it is not a scientific study obviously, the agency is often full of African customers who go to Douala, Yaoundé and Kinshasa via CDG and AF.

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Can we go back to the topic? This topic is about the future of the BRU infrastructure

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Inauguration of the new refurbished Skyhall will be on 27th January 2020
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Atlantis wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 18:34 Inauguration of the new refurbished Skyhall will be on 28th January 2020
What will be its function?
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sn26567 wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 19:07
Atlantis wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 18:34 Inauguration of the new refurbished Skyhall will be on 28th January 2020
What will be its function?
For the moment it will be for events. Now majority of it is outside of the airport territory
In future it can be partially also for pure aviation related business, but all options are open for the moment

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Atlantis wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 19:31
sn26567 wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 19:07
Atlantis wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 18:34 Inauguration of the new refurbished Skyhall will be on 28th January 2020
What will be its function?
For the moment it will be for events.
Will there be an official inauguration with an invitation to the press (and the VIPs of course) ?
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sn26567 wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 20:21
Atlantis wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 19:31
sn26567 wrote: 27 Dec 2019, 19:07
What will be its function?
For the moment it will be for events.
Will there be an official inauguration with an invitation to the press (and the VIPs of course) ?
Yes of course. On the 27th during the day is first for all employees who can see it as first. Later that day, I think evening, is for press

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