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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by PttU » 22 May 2019, 21:06

If you only have hand luggage, don't you use an on-line check-in, or from your mobile phone? Are those kiosks used often?

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Atlantis » 22 May 2019, 21:18

Look at the article of KLM, they do the same. You can check in your baggage at a certain point, check yourself in, take the train and at the airport you can go to the gate.
You will see this more and more. Aviation will and has to change

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... stimuleren

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Atlantis » 22 May 2019, 22:20

PttU wrote:
22 May 2019, 21:06
If you only have hand luggage, don't you use an on-line check-in, or from your mobile phone? Are those kiosks used often?
I think that even most of the people are using on-line check-in. But it is still needed to do it also at the airport or on remote places.

Brussels Airport has also a remote check-in at Brucargo. You can park the car there, check-in your luggage and yourself to the flight and take the shuttle to the terminal.

This you also can do, and should be even more implemented, that you can do the same in the parking towers. This will avoid big crowds in the departure area and everybody can go directly to security check.

This could people make less stressed if they have this option on several places

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Passenger » 22 May 2019, 22:31

Atlantis wrote:
22 May 2019, 21:18
Look at the article of KLM, they do the same. You can check in your baggage at a certain point, check yourself in, take the train and at the airport you can go to the gate.
You will see this more and more. Aviation will and has to change.
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... stimuleren
Indeed - aviation has to embrace railways, even for routes where they are competitors now. KLM is willing to cancel AMS-BRU-AMS when the railways network connects to their early morning business departures (06h-07h), when Thalys and/or Eurostar stop at the AMS Schiphol Airport Railway station, and if one can check in at the railway station (as shown with some photo's, yesterday).

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Atlantis » 22 May 2019, 22:43

Passenger wrote:
22 May 2019, 22:31
Atlantis wrote:
22 May 2019, 21:18
Look at the article of KLM, they do the same. You can check in your baggage at a certain point, check yourself in, take the train and at the airport you can go to the gate.
You will see this more and more. Aviation will and has to change.
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... stimuleren
Indeed - aviation has to embrace railways, even for routes where they are competitors now. KLM is willing to cancel AMS-BRU-AMS when the railways network connects to their early morning business departures (06h-07h), when Thalys and/or Eurostar stop at the AMS Schiphol Airport Railway station, and if one can check in at the railway station (as shown with some photo's, yesterday).
Exactly. Nowadays all kind of transport should work together and give to each other smooth connections. If trains can start driving as from 4 am, they can bring the first passengers to the first flight. The same with busses.

De Lijn, MIVB, NMBS should work better together with BRU. If they offer good, early and also late connections it would be good.

If BRU wants to create this multiple transport hub at BRU then there is work to do

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by PttU » 23 May 2019, 08:09

Atlantis wrote:
22 May 2019, 21:18
Look at the article of KLM, they do the same. You can check in your baggage at a certain point, check yourself in, take the train and at the airport you can go to the gate.
You will see this more and more. Aviation will and has to change

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... stimuleren
That's not the same: in the article it's about KLM, whereas this was about BRU airport.
Furthermore: with KLM you can also check in your luggage, which removes a lot of hassle. In this case it's just about checking in, with the biggest advantage only for those travelling light :)

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Stij » 23 May 2019, 09:43

I agree, If you're travelling without bags there're so many better options to check in...Bags are the problem to solve!

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Post by Conti764 » 23 May 2019, 11:40

Stij wrote:
23 May 2019, 09:43
I agree, If you're travelling without bags there're so many better options to check in...Bags are the problem to solve!

Stij
There might be only one solution, but it's quite expensive: dedicated trains from major railwaystations to Brussels Airport with a seperate luggage compartiment.

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by b720 » 23 May 2019, 11:46

I think that they must work on their poor punctuality before addressing other issues.

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Post by Conti764 » 23 May 2019, 13:32

b720 wrote:
23 May 2019, 11:46
I think that they must work on their poor punctuality before addressing other issues.
They do, but the rail network should be partially opened to private operators and in such scenario BAC may look for a private partner to operate dedicated trains.

In an environment where you want to 'interline' aviation and railtransportation you can't rely on unefficient state companies.

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by PttU » 23 May 2019, 14:19

Even a private operator will be dependent on the Infrabel-infrastructure.
Even in an environment without inefficient state companies, there can still be a "person's accident" or something else preventing any traffic on that line passing by.

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Post by Conti764 » 23 May 2019, 14:30

PttU wrote:
23 May 2019, 14:19
Even a private operator will be dependent on the Infrabel-infrastructure.
Even in an environment without inefficient state companies, there can still be a "person's accident" or something else preventing any traffic on that line passing by.
Yes, but it's not the Infrabel infrastructure which is the problem, it's the NMBS. The only issue in the infrastructure is the North/South junction which is saturated and the slightest incident has a snowball effect. For most destinations outside of Brussels the NS-junction doesn't have to be passed.

And indeed, accidents can always happen but are actually quite rare.

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by luchtzak » 06 Jun 2019, 17:26

Just kidding, of course ;-)

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Matt » 09 Jun 2019, 03:58

2 other things to address at BRU:

1: faster immigration
2: faster luggage retrieval

I was in Tokyo Haneda the other day and OWH MY GOD!

Got of the plane ( long haul ) , got through immigration, got my luggage within 5 minutes and I was on the subway to Shinagawa in less than 30 minutes after disembarking the plane!

Why is this not possible at BRU???? ( Or even within 45-50 minutes? )

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Post by b720 » 09 Jun 2019, 09:07

Matt wrote:
09 Jun 2019, 03:58
2 other things to address at BRU:

1: faster immigration
2: faster luggage retrieval

I was in Tokyo Haneda the other day and OWH MY GOD!

Got of the plane ( long haul ) , got through immigration, got my luggage within 5 minutes and I was on the subway to Shinagawa in less than 30 minutes after disembarking the plane!

Why is this not possible at BRU???? ( Or even within 45-50 minutes? )
Sometimes baggage retrieval at BRU takes longer than
The flight itself!!!

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Atlantis » 19 Jun 2019, 21:44

There was an appeal/letter from the CEO of Brussels Airport, Arnaud Feist, to the new (future) governments in Belgium. The federal, Flemisch, Brussels and Walloon. Points were to increase the number of trains to BRU bcs this is decided also on federal level. Also to bring more TGV via BRU and to connect it with important European cities. To reach the target of vision 2040 there must be 50% of the travellers coming by train.
Also the aim to connect BRU with metro and tram links.

The next point, comes always back, is the direct connection of the E40 from Leuven to BRU.

Other point is the saturation of the Ring. This makes that is difficult to reach during rush hours or in case of accident

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by BrightCedars » 20 Jun 2019, 09:06

When you see that the metro, even at the stop called Kraainem, is strictly on Brussels region soil, and that the new tram lines in Evere are stopping at the Brussels-Flanders region border to meet future trams coming from Flanders... I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Post by Conti764 » 20 Jun 2019, 10:03

BrightCedars wrote:
20 Jun 2019, 09:06
When you see that the metro, even at the stop called Kraainem, is strictly on Brussels region soil, and that the new tram lines in Evere are stopping at the Brussels-Flanders region border to meet future trams coming from Flanders... I wouldn't hold my breath.
For now, yes. The plan however is to have the MIVB/STIB exploit the trams to and from Brussels Airport on infrastructure funded by the Flemish government from the Flanders/Brussels border to the airport. The reason is because MIVB trams run on standard gauge tracks (1,435 m) while the Flemish trams run on meter gauge. I assume the future Brabantnet tramlines will also run on standard gauge track not to interfere with Brussels trams.

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by lumumba » 20 Jun 2019, 10:06

BrightCedars wrote:
20 Jun 2019, 09:06
When you see that the metro, even at the stop called Kraainem, is strictly on Brussels region soil, and that the new tram lines in Evere are stopping at the Brussels-Flanders region border to meet future trams coming from Flanders... I wouldn't hold my breath.
Hey Brightcedars.

Hou have some trams and bus lines from the MIVB going to Flanders.
Now like usual it's a complicated story, till begin 90s you had even more tram lines going to Flanders like to Vilvoorde for example and in the 50s you had several going even till Leuven etc...

In the 50s it was the car that took everything over in Brussels they constructed highways in the middle of the city crazy years...

And in the 90s it was the creation of Federal Belgium that ended the other lines.
For example the line till Vilvoorde stopped in 93 because Flanders did not want to maintain the tracks.

Sad story like usual and if you look to the last election it looks Belgium is at the edge.
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Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Conti764 » 20 Jun 2019, 10:10

Atlantis wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 21:44
The next point, comes always back, is the direct connection of the E40 from Leuven to BRU.
Working on the airport, I very much welcome the idea. But is there already any idea on how it would run? Because between the airport and the E40 there is some pretty densely populated area.

About A-pier West, how certain is the delay mentioned earlier in this thread? Especially in the morning the airport is pretty much saturated. I've even seen a lot of SN-tails pretty far away on remote stands. A-pier West could relieve the pressure by moving SN Africa ops to free up space at the current T-gates which could be used as regular A-gates troughout the day.

And it becomes pretty clear the current terminal can hardly cope with the morning rush. It sometimes becomes overcrowded. T2 should really be in the plans to improve the passenger experience at BRU, even if it would be empty in the afternoon.

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