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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by lumumba » 01 Sep 2018, 11:41

Matthias wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 11:03
Interesting news today:

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... t/10045231 (Dutch only)

According to De Tijd, the flemish government wants to buy the shares of Macquarie. Any thoughts?
I think this is a good idea for obvious reasons.
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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by sn26567 » 01 Sep 2018, 14:37

Matthias wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 11:03
Interesting news today:

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... t/10045231 (Dutch only)

According to De Tijd, the Flemish government wants to buy the shares of Macquarie. Any thoughts?
I think that, since BRU is a national airport, it would be better that the Federal Government (which owns already 25% of the shares + 1) buys any shares that become available. But the airport is also a private enterprise, and it is not in the mandate of public authorities to own private enterprises, hence my preference goes to any private company.

And, by the way, it is not "Dutch only", since it is also available in the French counterpart of De Tijd, i.e. L'Echo: https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 45149.html
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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by BAAV » 01 Sep 2018, 15:34

It could indeed be a good idea for the Flemish government to be a small shareholder of BRU via one of its investment vehicles so that it has more insights into one of the main economic pools and it would be beneficial for the airport as well. The airport lies in Flanders which makes that region one of the main stakeholders you better have on your side. Imagine if the Flemish government would take the same political line as the Brussels Region regarding BRU...

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Post by Atlantis » 01 Sep 2018, 22:34

sn26567 wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 14:37

I think that, since BRU is a national airport, it would be better that the Federal Government (which owns already 25% of the shares + 1) buys any shares that become available. But the airport is also a private enterprise, and it is not in the mandate of public authorities to own private enterprises, hence my preference goes to any private company.
Please, let us not think that the Federal governmet should buy even more shares. Let us not go back into the past with almost no investments etc. Better that the federal government has a minority position in this.
Matthias wrote:
01 Sep 2018, 11:03
Interesting news today:

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... t/10045231 (Dutch only)

According to De Tijd, the flemish government wants to buy the shares of Macquarie. Any thoughts?
The thought of the Flemisch government to do this via their investment company PMV is one with a solid future.
It would be also logic as Brussels Airport is on Flemish soil and after the Sea Ports to have also the Air Port in their portfolio. On this way they have the only two biggest economic parts of Belgium in their hands. They would even have a bigger share than the federal government who is really not helping in finding a solution for the Fly law, fixing routes and the constant dispute with the Brussels Government.

I'm more sceptical of the "Belgian" insurance companies regarding some severe finacial weather, reading: some financial crisis. I'm not so sure if they are solid enough.

Chinese companies are also to avoid as they only think on the way to place their own people on new positions and to transfer the best parts to their own country. In the case of Brussels Airport, it would be money transfers. They invest only shortly to take out only the best parts and then to leave everything in a mess. They don't invest further to make it better.

The Canadian or Dutch investment companies are on that way much better. We have already the experience with one of the Canadian Pension Funds who are really investing a lot in our company and this in long term plans.
It is also a pleasure to work together with the Canadians as they appreciate the work which is done, the know how and they understood how difficult it was in March 2016 to be reliable again. The Canadian Pension Funds never lost hope but had faith in us that we could do it!!

It would be a very strong tandem to see the current Canadian Pension Funds and PMV working together. It could makes things in the future much faster done.

Let's see what comes out at the end of this year and after when the final decision will be taken.

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Post by lumumba » 01 Sep 2018, 23:08

I think it's a good idea that the Flemish government invest in the airport for obvious reasons.
But it will change nothing about the overflying problem with Brussels.
The Brussels Region will still have the right to impose there rules over the region!!!
Like I said before if we want to find a solution everybody will have to put some water in his wine.
And the Brussels region is the most densely populated area in the region.
Or they redirect the overfliyng planes to the less populated areas with a special programme to isolate or buy the houses like in Liege.
Or Brussels Airport will have to restrict his traffic to let everybody live in a good environment.
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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by convair » 24 Sep 2018, 15:05

The website is not BRU's sole problem. Parking has become a nightmare! On wednesday morning last week, all lots were full, including the "new" P4 at the entrance of which I was told to go to P1 (the most expensive one) where I had no choice but to park my car outside the designed plots.
Someone told me it's the same situation every day and it's due to the Deloitte and KPMG offices having moved there.
Could our members please share your experience in that respect?

(NB: I know that trains, busses, bicycles and taxis exist, but attracting big offices that will squatt your parking lots is not exactly a bright idea imho, for the pax I mean. But who cares about the pax at BRU?) :roll:

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Post by sn26567 » 24 Sep 2018, 16:57

convair wrote:
24 Sep 2018, 15:05
The website is not BRU's sole problem. Parking has become a nightmare! On wednesday morning last week, all lots were full, including the "new" P4 at the entrance of which I was told to go to P1 (the most expensive one) where I had no choice but to park my car outside the designed plots.
Someone told me it's the same situation every day and it's due to the Deloitte and KPMG offices having moved there.
Could our members please share your experience in that respect?
I went to BRU last Tuesday. Same story: P1-2-3 full, sent to P4 where I could barely find a spot, and then 800m walk to the terminal, and the same distance back (before realising I could take a free bus of De Lijn). Fortunately, the weather was nice.

This being said, it's true that too many people (including myself) come to the airport by car when they could have taken public transportation. But which is the fastest and the most flexible? ANd why is the train so expensive because of ghat stupid Diabolo surcharge? As long as public transportation is not cheap and frequent, people will continue to come by car.
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Post by Stij » 24 Sep 2018, 17:10

Brussels Airport thinks as a real estate developer, not as an airport.
At least the airlines care about their premium passengers, Brussels Airport doesn't care about anybody… unless you pay rent of course...
I sometimes think they hope it will be closed… 1245ha of prime real estate and not an airport around… anymore… ;-)

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Post by Robby » 24 Sep 2018, 17:20

convair wrote:
24 Sep 2018, 15:05
The website is not BRU's sole problem. Parking has become a nightmare! On wednesday morning last week, all lots were full, including the "new" P4 at the entrance of which I was told to go to P1 (the most expensive one) where I had no choice but to park my car outside the designed plots.
Someone told me it's the same situation every day and it's due to the Deloitte and KPMG offices having moved there.
Could our members please share your experience in that respect?

(NB: I know that trains, busses, bicycles and taxis exist, but attracting big offices that will squatt your parking lots is not exactly a bright idea imho, for the pax I mean. But who cares about the pax at BRU?) :roll:
I think it has little to do with the presence of new office buildings at BRU. The office buildings themselves have quite large underground parking lots, and for instance KPMG exclusively uses the P19 lot, which is a subscriptions only parking. So in the end there is only a very limited impact on the parking space available to the pax.

Moreover, the move towards BRU by those companies is of course also intended to encourage the use of public transport instead of cars.

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Post by luchtzak » 24 Sep 2018, 17:36

A few days ago I was on the roundabout just under the bridge, there was a massive queue to enter the main road to the airport and a queue at the left hand side (where the drop-off is situated). It took about 15 minutes before cars started driving again.

If I was a passenger, I would park on the long-term parkings near Delhaize, Melsbroek and take a bus. It's cheaper, and quicker.

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Post by flightlover » 24 Sep 2018, 18:22

luchtzak wrote:
24 Sep 2018, 17:36
A few days ago I was on the roundabout just under the bridge, there was a massive queue to enter the main road to the airport and a queue at the left hand side (where the drop-off is situated). It took about 15 minutes before cars started driving again.

If I was a passenger, I would park on the long-term parkings near Delhaize, Melsbroek and take a bus. It's cheaper, and quicker.
Parking at the airport is just a mess. There are not even enough spots for workers to leave their car. And as public transportation is not a good alternative when you need to start early or stay late...

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Post by CTBke » 24 Sep 2018, 18:25

flightlover wrote:
24 Sep 2018, 18:22
luchtzak wrote:
24 Sep 2018, 17:36
A few days ago I was on the roundabout just under the bridge, there was a massive queue to enter the main road to the airport and a queue at the left hand side (where the drop-off is situated). It took about 15 minutes before cars started driving again.

If I was a passenger, I would park on the long-term parkings near Delhaize, Melsbroek and take a bus. It's cheaper, and quicker.
Parking at the airport is just a mess. There are not even enough spots for workers to leave their car. And as public transportation is not a good alternative when you need to start early or stay late...
not to mention the security issues at P58 where everyone can walk through and damage employees cars ... in stead of investing time in a new website they could finally invest some time and money in the parking infrastructure of their employees
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Post by brabel » 25 Sep 2018, 17:29

Everyone is talking about parkings, but if your flight leaves very early, you can barely reach it by public transport. I think this is THE factor that they need to promote, no new parkings, but easier, cheaper (diabolo has to be abolished) and faster public transport!

Why would you take a train, if it's cheaper to go by car?
Why would you take a train, if it's faster to go by car?
Why would you take a train, if it's easier to go by car?

MORE trains (early morning!!!), CHEAPER trains, FASTER trains!

I don't think more parkings should do it :)
just my opinion... and I do have a car myself.

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Post by Stij » 25 Sep 2018, 19:23

Sure?

I m on the train to BRU and due to an incident I ll have to take a taxi from Leuven... I hope I ll make my flight...

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Post by Stij » 25 Sep 2018, 20:45

Making the flight!

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Post by Passenger » 25 Sep 2018, 21:15

Stij wrote:
25 Sep 2018, 20:45
Making the flight!
Some travel insurances cover a railway delay, when you respect a certain time between arrival time of the train and check-in closure time...

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Post by sn26567 » 25 Sep 2018, 21:39

Stij wrote:
25 Sep 2018, 20:45
Making the flight!
By taxi? Or did the train restart?
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Post by Stij » 25 Sep 2018, 22:46

sn26567 wrote:
25 Sep 2018, 21:39

By taxi? Or did the train restart?
By car.... I called a friend of mine in Leuven...

But the Belgian Railways were excellent again...

Only announcements in Dutch
Advice to take the train to MECHELEN and then to the airport.
On the platform in Leuven announcements that the train would go to the airport.
...

Greetings from VCE!

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Re: Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

Post by Ansett » 26 Sep 2018, 13:22

Better train connections are part of the solution. Not everybody lives near a train station where trains stop to go to BRU (even with just one stopover). However, better timetables and more frequencies can help. As to the price of the train ticket, I would suggest to the NMBS/SNCB to lower the fares for the Diabolo and to increase its frequency. If I remember well, the railway company decided to lower frequencies which were already low, because there were not enough passengers. It seems logical to me that if you increase frequencies (instead of reducing them) and lower fares, you will attract more pax and could become profitable or at least break even. Again the wrong decision. I have never taken the Diabolo. Is it at least a modern comfortable train with extra room for luggage ?

As to the parking situation at BRU, it is indeed a mess. The parking lots (especially the elevators) are poorly maintained by Interparking. It's expensive, considering that other options to go to the airport are (not always) but often far from ideal.

And the temporary drop off area seems to become the permanent drop off area, unworthy of the airport of the capital city of the 26th economy in the world (let alone the "capital" of Europe).

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Post by jan_olieslagers » 26 Sep 2018, 14:01

Is it at least a modern comfortable train with extra room for luggage ?
Various types of rolling stock are used to the airport, but to my knowledge nothing with extra luggage capacity. The IC-trains to Dinant and Charleroi are operated by Desiro multiples, quite modern but according to some only comfortable for short distances due to their rather hard seating.

Regarding the Diabolo tax: that is a supplement to the basic train fares, it is cashed in by NMBS/SNCB but it does not go to their pocket; it goes to an external party, who contributed to the construction - quite expensive! - and are now getting this in return. It is supposed to continue till 2045...

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