I have a question concerning SN's long haul fleet. As I'm not a specialist, I'm sure some of you guys will know better than me.
Why don't they take A330-200's so they can start direct flights and still be able to fill the flights?
As I remember well, Sabena used to fly A330-200's...
Is this A/C convenient for SN cargo-wise?
Thanks for your answers...
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Reason: Split from topic on SN's Avro and B737 fleet replacement
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Re: Replacement of SN's Avro RJ and B737 fleet
A330-200's are far less available then A330-300's on the second hand market, and buying factory fresh frames (or even leasing them) is not quite possible for SN in its current state.diminbru wrote:I have a question concerning SN's long haul fleet. As I'm not a specialist, I'm sure some of you guys will know better than me.
Why don't they take A330-200's so they can start direct flights and still be able to fill the flights?
As I remember well, Sabena used to fly A330-200's...
Is this A/C convenient for SN cargo-wise?
Thanks for your answers...
I do see LH ordering (or shifting) some A332's when they fully own SN.
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Re: Replacement of SN's Avro RJ and B737 fleet
maybe some of the remaining Swiss A332, where 2 are owned and the others leased. Will they become available when the other A333 arrive at Swiss?I do see LH ordering (or shifting) some A332's when they fully own SN.
Re: Replacement of SN's Avro RJ and B737 fleet
i'm still hoping for some 744's from LH
Re: Replacement of SN's Avro RJ and B737 fleet
As far as I am aware LH has no 332's anymore in its own fleet? The 4 they once had are flying with TAP and Swiss now, but maybe I am wrong here.Conti764 wrote:I do see LH ordering (or shifting) some A332's when they fully own SN.
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Re: Replacement of SN's Avro RJ and B737 fleet
All A332s have long gone at LH and LX has only 2 left, which will be gone by mid 2011 too...
Both carriers have replaced the A332s by brandnew A333s, btw.
Both carriers have replaced the A332s by brandnew A333s, btw.
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The A330 is a hot plane these days. Due to the delays in the B787, airlines have been ordering more A330s. Airbus has announced yesterday that it was pushing up the production rate of the A330 from 8 to 10 per month.
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They will have to do their best because last month, Jan. 2011 they only delivered
5 A330's ( 4 x A330-300 and 1 x A330-200)
http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/
5 A330's ( 4 x A330-300 and 1 x A330-200)
http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/
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Strange that nobody mentioned the outphasing (starting this month) of several A330-200's and A340's at Emirates...
Now there you have something to think about guys
Now there you have something to think about guys
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yeah I have been looking at that too. But do Emirates A330-200's have the right engine type for SN?HighInTheSky wrote:Strange that nobody mentioned the outphasing (starting this month) of several A330-200's and A340's at Emirates...
Now there you have something to think about guys
Two of the A/C already went to Virgin Blue
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uhm because Airbus means 10 A330's by 2013 and not at this moment !pjms21 wrote:They will have to do their best because last month, Jan. 2011 they only delivered
5 A330's ( 4 x A330-300 and 1 x A330-200)
http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/
Re: SN's long haul fleet
I see in the A330 production list 3 new A330-300's for Cathay Pacific, which will be delivered shortly (B-LAK; B-LAL and B-LAM).
If these A/C will replace their older A330-300's (B-HLJ; B-HLK and B-HLA) and if these A/C will not be used anymore, it means that SN A330-300's will be the oldest flying around
If these A/C will replace their older A330-300's (B-HLJ; B-HLK and B-HLA) and if these A/C will not be used anymore, it means that SN A330-300's will be the oldest flying around
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BruAir prefers the -300 above the -200 because it's a longer aircraft (more volume space for cargo).
Cargo is very important for the African network.
Cargo is very important for the African network.
Re: Replacement of SN's Avro RJ and B737 fleet
²!cnc wrote:i'm still hoping for some 744's from LH
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747's from LH to SN. Is this wishful thinking or a real possibility?
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For which destination ?Boavida wrote:747's from LH to SN. Is this wishful thinking or a real possibility?
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What do you mean by 'a real possibility'? Of course it is (technically) possible, but economically viable? If the management goes absolutely nuts, we might see it...
In other words, wishful thinking.
In other words, wishful thinking.
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In theory, it could be economically viable, the 744M. The same amount of seats of an A333, but with lots more cargo and cargo is where SN makes its money on.DeltaWiskey wrote:What do you mean by 'a real possibility'? Of course it is (technically) possible, but economically viable? If the management goes absolutely nuts, we might see it...
In other words, wishful thinking.
On the other hand, we don't know of course if SN generates enough cargo to Africa to fill a 74M. And on top of that, these 74M's of LH are near or even over 20 years old, how reliable are they for the challenging African destinations?
SN's A333's aren't that much younger, but they are twins and thus still burn (far?) less fuel then early build 744's.
And to round it up, one or even two 74M's don't warrant hiring 744-rated flight crew, even more since these planes would leave again in less then 10 years (if they even make it that long!) so these crews need to come from LH and I don't know if LH would like to set up such operation with SN, even if they wholy own the company. Cabin crew would be of less issue since I can imagine it is easier for cabin crew to switch from A to B and back then it would be for fllight crew.
So 744's at SN? Possible, but not likely if you ask me.
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I think the B747-400M idea is dead, it was circulated some time ago and it could make sense but really all the arguments are against it, age of the planes, safety restrictions, fuel burn, etc.
I guess SN will have a spanking fleet of fresh A330's or A350's or B787's depending where the LH group goes shopping. I think the group might buy both B787 and A350 but I think SN's fleet size doesn't justify it to run both side by side. I believe the B787 is more suited to the SN operation where frequency still needs to be built up.
I guess SN will have a spanking fleet of fresh A330's or A350's or B787's depending where the LH group goes shopping. I think the group might buy both B787 and A350 but I think SN's fleet size doesn't justify it to run both side by side. I believe the B787 is more suited to the SN operation where frequency still needs to be built up.
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Or LH keeps them for some years as a guarrantee if something goes wrong with the B747-8.
Qantas was happy with their old B-747's the last months...
Qantas was happy with their old B-747's the last months...