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new KB for grondhandling services.

Post by cnc » 27 Jan 2011, 11:50

3th handler allowed when 2 years in a row either BRU's handled cargo exceeds 650 000 ton or pax exceeds 24 milion

Bad news imo because right now both cargo and pax handled are far away from those figures

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Post by Stij » 27 Jan 2011, 11:56

Typical for Schouppe! "Yes, we allow it, on unrealistical conditions!"

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Post by Bralo20 » 27 Jan 2011, 12:00

cnc wrote:3th handler allowed when 2 years in a row either BRU's handled cargo exceeds 650 000 ton or pax exceeds 24 milion

Bad news imo because right now both cargo and pax handled are far away from those figures
Bad news indeed...

From the 17 million today it's an increase with 20.000 extra passengers a day to achieve this... Quite unrealistic...

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Post by schouppe » 27 Jan 2011, 13:10

'De Tijd' calculated that in 2024/25 a third handler will be allowed if traffic will increase the coming years similar to the increase of the second part of 2010. Transit loads are not included in those figures.

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Post by Jipe » 27 Jan 2011, 15:12

Apparently, it seems Menzies will come at BRU.

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Post by ihd-fc » 27 Jan 2011, 15:24

A lot of rumours

Menzies, Swissport, B.air/LH

If this KB stays, no one for the next 15 years...

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Re: new KB for grondhandling services.

Post by Stij » 27 Jan 2011, 15:32

So for the next 15 years it will be "normal" to wait an hour for a bag...

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Re: new KB for grondhandling services.

Post by cnc » 27 Jan 2011, 15:41

Jipe wrote:Apparently, it seems Menzies will come at BRU.
don't forget its only about handlers on the tarmac. menzies could start doing warehousing at BRU just like swissport.
BRU's only hope would be that SN or LH start doing handling services

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Post by schouppe » 27 Jan 2011, 16:06

Home based carriers always can start doing selfhandling. They only need to find/train people, buy all the material and find place to park it. Make the cost-benefit calculation and if the benefit is bigger than the cost (like check-in????) they can start. ;)

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Post by cnc » 27 Jan 2011, 16:13

there's plenty of space on the A terminal's floor level. i think they just have to strengthen the floor

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Post by schouppe » 27 Jan 2011, 16:44

And what to do with the bag sorting system in the A terminal once they decide to use it?

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Post by RoMax » 27 Jan 2011, 17:20

A 3th handler in Brussels is still quite some time away. But SN can do their own handling anytime they want. So with SN doing more and more things themself (like maintenance), may they start their own handling also (maybe with the help of LH?)?

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Post by schouppe » 27 Jan 2011, 17:28

MR_Boeing wrote:A 3th handler in Brussels is still quite some time away. But SN can do their own handling anytime they want. So with SN doing more and more things themself (like maintenance), may they start their own handling also (maybe with the help of LH?)?

As a home based carrier, YES

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Post by cnc » 27 Jan 2011, 17:34

schouppe wrote:And what to do with the bag sorting system in the A terminal once they decide to use it?
does it take away the entire floor level? i've never been inside it actually

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Post by RoMax » 27 Jan 2011, 17:55

schouppe wrote:
As a home based carrier, YES
Yes I know, but I actually ment, is there a big chance that SN will start it's own handling?

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Post by cnc » 27 Jan 2011, 18:00

MR_Boeing wrote:
schouppe wrote:
As a home based carrier, YES
Yes I know, but I actually ment, is there a big chance that SN will start it's own handling?
no, pushback and deicing trucks, gpu's, apu's, ... its all expensive material.
SN doesn't have the money for it currently
1 noselifter that can lift an A333 costs around 1milion euro so it needs a lot of pushbacks to earn back its money

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Post by schouppe » 27 Jan 2011, 18:02

Except from the offices, yes. Another (big) problem is that they indeed have to strengthen the floor and BAC will not be happy to pay for it.

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Post by schouppe » 27 Jan 2011, 18:09

cnc wrote:
MR_Boeing wrote:
schouppe wrote:
As a home based carrier, YES
Yes I know, but I actually ment, is there a big chance that SN will start it's own handling?
no, pushback and deicing trucks, gpu's, apu's, ... its all expensive material.
SN doesn't have the money for it currently
1 noselifter that can lift an A333 costs around 1milion euro so it needs a lot of pushbacks to earn back its money

It's again the cost-benefit question, like 'cnc' says, buying all the material, except the APU's as it is A/C equipment, is very expensive and you need also trained people to use these machines. It's not only the investment of material but you have to buy also the knwoledge (experienced people)

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Post by cnc » 27 Jan 2011, 18:32

i ment ASU and ACU ;)

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Re: new KB for grondhandling services.

Post by sn26567 » 27 Jan 2011, 20:00

cnc wrote:new KB for grondhandling services
What do you mean with KB? Kredietbank? or rather Koniklijk Besluit, which should be translated in English by Royal Decree (RD).
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