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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 08 Jan 2019, 18:36

I read that "Brussels Airlines (Belgium) says it is now looking for a new wet lease partner from March 2019."

I thought that there was an agreement inked with Air Nostrum? Could it be that this is only a short-term temporary agreement?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by thisguy » 08 Jan 2019, 20:44

I see that if you book in March ( BHX - BRU ) it still says its Air Nostrum but if u wanna book in April it says its Brussels Airlines as operator and equipment AR8.

So far it seems the Air Nostrum thing isn't really smooth yet, its not terrible but on Monday the 6.20am BHX-BRU flight didn't depart until 10.20am and for tomorrow it also announces as 3h55mins late already tonight.
I was just getting comfortable again with the SSJ being on time the last 2 months.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 08 Jan 2019, 22:14

I am now told that the Air Nostrum CRJ aircraft are indeed leased to terminate the agreement with CityJet (the two companies have merged), which runs until March. After that, the decision is still pending, with Air Nostrum the front runner.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 09 Jan 2019, 13:08

sn26567 wrote:
08 Jan 2019, 22:14
I am now told that the Air Nostrum CRJ aircraft are indeed leased to terminate the agreement with CityJet (the two companies have merged), which runs until March. After that, the decision is still pending, with Air Nostrum the front runner.
Heard Wideroe was in the running too but they don't have enough staff, and Adria is a possible candidate too. AirNostrum is just a temporary solution as they merged with WX and just terminate the contract (if enough staff to secure the flights cos the ontime departures are not that great again)
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 09 Jan 2019, 18:42

CTBke wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 13:08
Heard Wideroe was in the running too but they don't have enough staff, and Adria is a possible candidate too. AirNostrum is just a temporary solution as they merged with WX and just terminate the contract (if enough staff to secure the flights cos the ontime departures are not that great again)
Not sure Adria would be a good candidate, in view of their financial problems :o
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 10 Jan 2019, 09:25

sn26567 wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 18:42
CTBke wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 13:08
Heard Wideroe was in the running too but they don't have enough staff, and Adria is a possible candidate too. AirNostrum is just a temporary solution as they merged with WX and just terminate the contract (if enough staff to secure the flights cos the ontime departures are not that great again)
Not sure Adria would be a good candidate, in view of their financial problems :o
It would be a fixed income for 2 years at least, let's wait and see which airline will be a suitable candidate. Most logical would be LH Cityline or LGW but only if both would have enough planes and crew available
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by spagiola » 10 Jan 2019, 14:45

CTBke wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 13:08
sn26567 wrote:
08 Jan 2019, 22:14
I am now told that the Air Nostrum CRJ aircraft are indeed leased to terminate the agreement with CityJet (the two companies have merged), which runs until March. After that, the decision is still pending, with Air Nostrum the front runner.
Adria is a possible candidate too.
And Adria just ordered SSJ100s, so it would be perfect! ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 10 Jan 2019, 17:08

spagiola wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 14:45
CTBke wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 13:08
sn26567 wrote:
08 Jan 2019, 22:14
I am now told that the Air Nostrum CRJ aircraft are indeed leased to terminate the agreement with CityJet (the two companies have merged), which runs until March. After that, the decision is still pending, with Air Nostrum the front runner.
Adria is a possible candidate too.
And Adria just ordered SSJ100s, so it would be perfect! ;)
there won't be a return of Sukhoi's at Brussels Airlines, that's the whole point of ending the agreement with Cityjet
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by PttU » 11 Jan 2019, 14:16

CTBke wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 17:08
spagiola wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 14:45
CTBke wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 13:08


Adria is a possible candidate too.
And Adria just ordered SSJ100s, so it would be perfect! ;)
there won't be a return of Sukhoi's at Brussels Airlines, that's the whole point of ending the agreement with Cityjet
Does the wet-lease agreement (or tender) specifically exclude SSJs?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 11 Jan 2019, 14:46

PttU wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 14:16
CTBke wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 17:08
spagiola wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 14:45
And Adria just ordered SSJ100s, so it would be perfect! ;)
there won't be a return of Sukhoi's at Brussels Airlines, that's the whole point of ending the agreement with Cityjet
Does the wet-lease agreement (or tender) specifically exclude SSJs?
That I don't know but why would they terminate the contract with Cityjet's SSJ and start a new one with Adria with SSJ again?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by cathay belgium » 11 Jan 2019, 14:55

Hi,

Maybe FlyBe euh Virgin Atlantic Baby euh Little Red euh Virgin Express ?
They did biz before with D8Q400 and we're pretty nice also ;)

Guess they Will have less Planes needed soon ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by convair » 11 Jan 2019, 16:54

PttU wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 14:16
Does the wet-lease agreement (or tender) specifically exclude SSJs?
Maybe not in writing, but most probably the candidates got the,message.
cathay belgium wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 14:55
They did biz before with D8Q400 and we're pretty nice also ;)
The Dash-8 has proved to be unsuitable due to luggage hold limitations.

Since we're on the subject, why not go for the E-190. It's a nice aircraft and the LH group has an ample collection to draw from? It is also well-known in Belgium as TUI operates a few of them.
Does anyone here know how it is rated, operating cost and maintenance-wise?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by viennafly » 11 Jan 2019, 18:40

I have heard rumors, and maybe someone can confirm it:

Will SN be getting a 5th A333 (D-AIKH) from LH for the EW-Ops? Actually I thought it would be only 4 in total.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 11 Jan 2019, 19:43

viennafly wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 18:40
I have heard rumors, and maybe someone can confirm it:

Will SN be getting a 5th A333 (D-AIKH) from LH for the EW-Ops? Actually I thought it would be only 4 in total.

Thanks in advance!
I think your info is correct but there will only be 4 A333's (I assume).
I assume that OO-SFB will return to regular SN service in BRU.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RoMax » 11 Jan 2019, 20:34

OO-SFB will indeed return to SN this year.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by viennafly » 11 Jan 2019, 21:02

Thanks for the confirmation guys!

When will SFB return to the SN-Ops?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 11 Jan 2019, 22:49

According to the unofficial LH Group-site there will be a 5th EW A333 opby SN: https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/eurowings

Future will tell us...

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by PttU » 12 Jan 2019, 19:09

CTBke wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 14:46
PttU wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 14:16
CTBke wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 17:08


there won't be a return of Sukhoi's at Brussels Airlines, that's the whole point of ending the agreement with Cityjet
Does the wet-lease agreement (or tender) specifically exclude SSJs?
That I don't know but why would they terminate the contract with Cityjet's SSJ and start a new one with Adria with SSJ again?
The SSJ's themselves were not the problem, but the cancelled and delayed flights were. And those could be solved with a good spare and/or maintenance management. I don't assume Adria does, but if a candidate to this tender offers SSJ-ops, backed with a better plan to limit disruptions: why not? From a passenger perspective these are good planes (overhead bin space etc...)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Vic Diesel » 14 Jan 2019, 13:36

PttU wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 19:09
The SSJ's themselves were not the problem, but the cancelled and delayed flights were. And those could be solved with a good spare and/or maintenance management. I don't assume Adria does, but if a candidate to this tender offers SSJ-ops, backed with a better plan to limit disruptions: why not? From a passenger perspective these are good planes (overhead bin space etc...)
Indeed, supply of spare parts and poor maintenance management WAS an issue. But if you think of the signed agreement between Sukhoi and Adria, there is a new maintenance base for the SSJ to be built in LJU - and Sukhoi surely got the message regarding aftersales customer care. And since passenger-wise the SSJ proved to be quite formidable and popular, I don't see why they could not return to the SN fleet in the future. The E190 might be nice, but space for luggage is quite limited and poor - expecially in comparison with the SSJ (although still much better than the CRJs).
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by convair » 14 Jan 2019, 23:05

C96C wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 22:49
According to the unofficial LH Group-site there will be a 5th EW A333 opby SN: https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/eurowings

Future will tell us...
The "Brussels" page of that site gives the timing of the transfers.

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