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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by luchtzak » 30 Nov 2018, 14:39

Press release of Brussels Airlines: Brussels Airlines rejuvenates its Airbus A330 long-haul fleet

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... aul-fleet/

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn-remember » 01 Dec 2018, 13:37

More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 01 Dec 2018, 14:01

sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 13:37
More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
???? What does the article say, the link does not work. Thx...
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by convair » 01 Dec 2018, 14:07

First revenue flight today for OO-SFG as SN277.

(I assume it still has the Singapore interior)
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by convair » 01 Dec 2018, 14:19

luchtzak wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 14:39
Press release of Brussels Airlines: Brussels Airlines rejuvenates its Airbus A330 long-haul fleet

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... aul-fleet/
I had understood from previous posts that the new interior was going to be presented at the end of November.
I now understand that the work will only start now. When will the first newly equipped aircraft be ready?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 01 Dec 2018, 15:47

convair wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 14:19
I had understood from previous posts that the new interior was going to be presented at the end of November.
I now understand that the work will only start now. When will the first newly equipped aircraft be ready?
From what I heard, a presentation of the new interior to the press would take place in December. But if it is like the previous time, only a few seats should be presented in b.house.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by airbuske » 01 Dec 2018, 18:57

sn26567 wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 15:47
convair wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 14:19
I had understood from previous posts that the new interior was going to be presented at the end of November.
I now understand that the work will only start now. When will the first newly equipped aircraft be ready?
From what I heard, a presentation of the new interior to the press would take place in December. But if it is like the previous time, only a few seats should be presented in b.house.

There are some problems with the certificationof the seats. The presentation would be more than a few seats, it would be a presentation of the whole new cabin !
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 01 Dec 2018, 19:35

sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 13:37
More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
Something new ? The link does not work...Thx !

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by viennafly » 01 Dec 2018, 19:39

Does anybody of you guys know, when the to A343 will return to LH?

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Post by sn26567 » 01 Dec 2018, 20:49

nordikcam wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 19:35
sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 13:37
More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
Something new ? The link does not work...Thx !
aero.de: Was müssen eigentlich Austrian Airlines und Brussels Airlines tun um neue Flugzeuge zu erhalten?

Spohr: Bei Brussels Airlines haben wir das schon entschieden. Dort leasen und kaufen wir gebrauchte A330, die die heute bereits sehr alten A330 von Brussels Airlines ersetzen. Jede Airline unserer Gruppe muss die notwendige eigene Profitabilität erwirtschaften, um sich Investitionen in Flugzeuge leisten zu können. Wir bestellen neue Flugzeuge für die Gruppe grundsätzlich nur noch für die sogenannte "graue Flotte" und entscheiden erst 18 Monate vor Auslieferung, bei welcher Airline sie eingesetzt werden.

https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn-remember » 01 Dec 2018, 23:08

Thank you André .. sorry for the link problem, just found out about it now.
Spohr repeats what is unfortunately already known. Each airline of the group must finance its equipment separately. No policy, no investment for sn except the routine thing.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RoMax » 01 Dec 2018, 23:53

sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 23:08
Thank you André .. sorry for the link problem, just found out about it now.
Spohr repeats what is unfortunately already known. Each airline of the group must finance its equipment separately. No policy, no investment for sn except the routine thing.
It's not so much the financing an sich, it's a matter of being able to 'prove' a (financial) return on the invested capital. Or do you think SN is capable of financing this investment on its own without help from LH? It might 'just' be "old A333s" for many, but we are still talking about an investment of a few hundred million Euro's, even without the full cabin retrofits (which, as you might know, don't come cheap either).

And before the EW arguments come, LH will never accept EW to continu like this without drastic and rapid improvements in their financial and operational performance. It would just be quite hypocrite of LH to blame EW for it's current performance after forcing them to integrate tens of new aircraft and thousands of new employees in less than a year without any consequences.

LHG is fundamentally run as a cash machine and whatever 'project' or company division doesn't perform and/or for a period longer than what's seen as 'normal' (one-off extra ordinary costs, ...) will be required to restructure fundamentally and otherwise closed down or (in best case) sold, "pet-project" or not.
Obviously when you built the whole strategy of a group with >35billion EUR in revenue on 3 main pillars and of those 1 is EWG with the aim to become the 3rd largest in LCC/P2P/hybrid group in Europe in just a few years, you accept a bit more 'extraordinary costs'.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by lumumba » 03 Dec 2018, 12:52

convair wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 15:29
Matt wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 10:48
Been seeing a Eurowings A340-300 taking off on Wednesday, Thursday and today now for SN501, is there a problem with the A330 fleet ? It's also planned for tomorrow

It moved from being occasional to frequently.
SFT and SFY are in LIS for C-check I read on another topic here (will they return to the fleet?); SFU on maintenance at BRU I believe; SFZ apparently still AOG at BRU since the engine problem on return from Kinshasa. So, no SN A332 available for the moment.

On top of OO-SCW doing JFK (untill?), OO-SFJ (an A333 from LH with EW livery) has been doing Dakar-Banjul/Conakry for more than a week now.
I saw OO-SFY yesterday in Lisboa without engine nacelles...
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 03 Dec 2018, 13:11

lumumba wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 12:52
convair wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 15:29
Matt wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 10:48
Been seeing a Eurowings A340-300 taking off on Wednesday, Thursday and today now for SN501, is there a problem with the A330 fleet ? It's also planned for tomorrow

It moved from being occasional to frequently.
SFT and SFY are in LIS for C-check I read on another topic here (will they return to the fleet?); SFU on maintenance at BRU I believe; SFZ apparently still AOG at BRU since the engine problem on return from Kinshasa. So, no SN A332 available for the moment.

On top of OO-SCW doing JFK (untill?), OO-SFJ (an A333 from LH with EW livery) has been doing Dakar-Banjul/Conakry for more than a week now.
I saw OO-SFY yesterday in Lisboa without engine nacelles...
isn't it in LIS for a regular check thus having pieces being removed ?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 03 Dec 2018, 15:20

OO-SFY has/had PW4168 engines.

On the Home page, the SN Rejuvenating article referred to standardisation on Trent 772-60 engines.
Could it be that this is what they do now in LIS?
I was under the impression that changing engine type is not that simple.

Tango and Zulu have also the PW engines.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 03 Dec 2018, 15:35

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 15:20
OO-SFY has/had PW4168 engines.

On the Home page, the SN Rejuvenating article referred to standardization on Trent 772-60 engines.
Could it be that this is what they do now in LIS?
I was under the impression that changing engine type is not that simple.

Tango and Zulu have also the PW engines.

H.A.
hence they're also leasing planes so unless they have an agreement from the leasing company this could be a step forward in harmonizing the entire fleet with Trent engines making it easier for maintenance
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Matt » 03 Dec 2018, 16:26

CTBke wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 15:35
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 15:20
OO-SFY has/had PW4168 engines.

On the Home page, the SN Rejuvenating article referred to standardization on Trent 772-60 engines.
Could it be that this is what they do now in LIS?
I was under the impression that changing engine type is not that simple.

Tango and Zulu have also the PW engines.

H.A.
hence they're also leasing planes so unless they have an agreement from the leasing company this could be a step forward in harmonizing the entire fleet with Trent engines making it easier for maintenance
OO-SFY is 20 years old... why would they change the engines for maybe 5 years of flying ? Why make that investment? Doesn't make much sense.
Don't even know if it is possible to change the engine type on the plane. Do they have the same attachment points? same communication protocols?
I know it's possible on the B787 with Trent1000's and GEnx's but I have no clue with the A330...

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Darjeeling » 03 Dec 2018, 17:02

Matt wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 16:26
CTBke wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 15:35
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 15:20
OO-SFY has/had PW4168 engines.

On the Home page, the SN Rejuvenating article referred to standardization on Trent 772-60 engines.
Could it be that this is what they do now in LIS?
I was under the impression that changing engine type is not that simple.

Tango and Zulu have also the PW engines.

H.A.
hence they're also leasing planes so unless they have an agreement from the leasing company this could be a step forward in harmonizing the entire fleet with Trent engines making it easier for maintenance
OO-SFY is 20 years old... why would they change the engines for maybe 5 years of flying ? Why make that investment? Doesn't make much sense.
Don't even know if it is possible to change the engine type on the plane. Do they have the same attachment points? same communication protocols?
I know it's possible on the B787 with Trent1000's and GEnx's but I have no clue with the A330...
Strictly impossible with the A330 (as for the B777 by the way !). SFY is certified to be PW powered. Hence its full type A330-223 ("23" being the PW suffix within Airbus).
I know you can theoretically do that with the 787, but it's only been theoretical so far.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Matt » 05 Dec 2018, 11:46

Darjeeling wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 17:02
Matt wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 16:26
CTBke wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 15:35


hence they're also leasing planes so unless they have an agreement from the leasing company this could be a step forward in harmonizing the entire fleet with Trent engines making it easier for maintenance
OO-SFY is 20 years old... why would they change the engines for maybe 5 years of flying ? Why make that investment? Doesn't make much sense.
Don't even know if it is possible to change the engine type on the plane. Do they have the same attachment points? same communication protocols?
I know it's possible on the B787 with Trent1000's and GEnx's but I have no clue with the A330...
Strictly impossible with the A330 (as for the B777 by the way !). SFY is certified to be PW powered. Hence its full type A330-223 ("23" being the PW suffix within Airbus).
I know you can theoretically do that with the 787, but it's only been theoretical so far.
I think Boeing did do it in Everett after the problems were confirmed with the Trent 1000's to check the feasibility... ( rumor here at work ) Don't quote me on this tough.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by OO-ITR » 06 Dec 2018, 01:11

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 15:20
OO-SFY has/had PW4168 engines.

On the Home page, the SN Rejuvenating article referred to standardisation on Trent 772-60 engines.
Could it be that this is what they do now in LIS?
I was under the impression that changing engine type is not that simple.

Tango and Zulu have also the PW engines.

H.A.
it wouldn't make sense to change the SFY's engines as this aircraft is leaving the fleet in a few months...

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