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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by lumumba » 06 Nov 2018, 00:01

CTBke wrote:
05 Nov 2018, 19:32
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
05 Nov 2018, 18:48
Heard a couple of weeks ago that the new A330 cabin will be presented on 30NOV.

Anybody confirms?
Factual news have more weight than words to me.

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there will be a official presentation of the new long haul cabin, the exact date I don't know but it'll be at the end of this month
And from when will it be operational?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 06 Nov 2018, 10:32

that will take a long time as it's not done overnight... might take up to 2 years to install the new cabin as it's a complete new design, not just new seats
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Inquirer » 06 Nov 2018, 11:04

With all the movement/growth happening, could somebody post a brief overview of their long haul fleet?
Thanks.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 06 Nov 2018, 11:15

Inquirer wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 11:04
With all the movement/growth happening, could somebody post a brief overview of their long haul fleet?
Thanks.
Here you go:

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/brussels

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by ezis_bis » 06 Nov 2018, 12:59

So 7 are leaving, and only 5 'new' planes (well, yeah...) are scheduled to fly from BRU
Will OO-SFB come back to BRU or not?
And will there be more investment, or will LH/EW keep reducing their 'Longhaul specialist'?
Seems there will be less flying to Africa and North America ahead too

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Inquirer » 06 Nov 2018, 13:13

ezis_bis wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 12:59
So 7 are leaving, and only 5 'new' planes (well, yeah...) are scheduled to fly from BRU
Will OO-SFB come back to BRU or not?
And will there be more investment, or will LH/EW keep reducing their 'Longhaul specialist'?
Seems there will be less flying to Africa and North America ahead too
Careful, they have 14 'own' planes now according to the list posted (so excluding the ones flying for eurowings), so that seems to suggest they are currently over equipped with planes, probably due to a needed overlap? As such, it's normal that a snapshot on today's fleet status shows more leavers than remainers.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by convair » 06 Nov 2018, 13:16

For a few weeks already, SFE and SFG have been supposed to join the fleet as of October. Still waiting!
SN501 today operated with OO-SCX, an A340 with EW livery!
SFT and SFZ AOG at BRU;
SFY "parked" at LIS;
SFN supposedly leaving the fleet but back on the list, although no longer flying;
SFU due to operate SN371 today but already delayed 4 hours;
Total: 7 SN A330 (maybe) operating today out of a total of 11 theoretically available: a complete debacle!

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by ezis_bis » 06 Nov 2018, 13:53

Inquirer wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 13:13
Careful, they have 14 'own' planes now according to the list posted (so excluding the ones flying for eurowings), so that seems to suggest they are currently over equipped with planes, probably due to a needed overlap? As such, it's normal that a snapshot on today's fleet status shows more leavers than remainers.
True, and I understand that
But, only looking at the SN fleet -as it stands- more retirements are planned than newcomers.
So, or they still plan to make it up (Retirements are planned into 2020, so there is ample time), or they don't and SN Longhaul will downsize

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Inquirer » 06 Nov 2018, 14:33

Euh, I'm not sure you really understand what I'm trying to say.
Downsize from what? From the oversized state of today yes, but I'm under the impression they never ever needed more than 10 planes to fly their network with until very recently when they started to renew their fleet: depending on how you count, I now see between 11 and 14 'own' planes listed, excluding those for eurowings, so if they go back to that number at the end, I don't see it as a downsize like you do?
They will just have had a higher number of planes during the refleet program, which is normal, I should guess? How many planes will they operate on their own behalf when everything is renewed?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 06 Nov 2018, 14:51

convair wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 13:16
For a few weeks already, SFE and SFG have been supposed to join the fleet as of October. Still waiting!
SN501 today operated with OO-SCX, an A340 with EW livery!
SFT and SFZ AOG at BRU;
SFY "parked" at LIS;
SFN supposedly leaving the fleet but back on the list, although no longer flying;
SFU due to operate SN371 today but already delayed 4 hours;
Total: 7 SN A330 (maybe) operating today out of a total of 11 theoretically available: a complete debacle!
OO-SFN is leaving the company, that list isn't updated yet . It's being prepared at maintenance for the phase-out.
Why so surprised an EW plane is operating the JFK flight, SN did the same with OO-SFO at DUS but that isn't a big issue apparently.. better get used seeing Eurowings planes at Brussels since SN and EW are in the EW Group and not the greater Lufthansa group
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Conti764 » 06 Nov 2018, 15:18

If I'm not mistaken, seven SN-dedicated planes are leaving the fleet, with five entering. So indeed a downsize with two planes for their own ops...

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 06 Nov 2018, 15:21

ezis_bis wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 13:53
True, and I understand that
But, only looking at the SN fleet -as it stands- more retirements are planned than newcomers.
So, or they still plan to make it up (Retirements are planned into 2020, so there is ample time), or they don't and SN Longhaul will downsize
The number of 'new' aircraft is equal to the number of aircraft that will leave the fleet:
'new':
SFB (flying for EW at the moment)
SFC (in service since the summer)
SFD
SFE
SFF
SFG
SFH
+ 4 A330's for EW-service

leaving the fleet:
SFM
SFN
SFO
SFU
SFV
SFW
SFY


The only question is if OO-SFB will come back from EW-wetlease?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by travellover » 06 Nov 2018, 16:15

Two A332 are remaining in the fleet:
OO-SFT : entry 19/03/2012 from LX.
OO-SFZ : entry 31/07/2017 from WK.

Source www.airfleets.net

Maybe there will be some ''new'' aircrafts orders from 2020?
C96C wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 15:21

The only question is if OO-SFB will come back from EW-wetlease?
Isn't OO-SFB supposed to come back for SN for next summer season?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RoMax » 06 Nov 2018, 18:20

All that drama again for nothing :p

Old situation: 6 A333's, 4 A332's, at least that's clear for all.

Now then. Since summer 2018 the fleet roll-over kicked off with lots of things ongoing (early deliveries requiring temporary storage of several a/c, usage of SFC as 'hot spare' by SN until SFN would effectively stop operating, SFB in temporary wet-lease to EW to ensure they wouldn't lose the opportunity of filling AB's gap in DUS, lengthy maintenance in particular for the first cabin refit due to everything being new and requiring certification, etc). But in the end it's very simple:
- A333's: 6 -5 +7 = 8 (yes SFB will return to SN and SFC is the replacement of SFN, for the rest nothing really interesting happened yet, neither was it supposed to)
- A332's: 4 - 2 = 2 (their lease contracts stretch beyond 2020, they'll be replaced when their time is due)
So in total nothing changes with this fleet replacement project, it's 10 now and it will remain 10.

Besides that 4 ex-LH A333's are taken up in the fleet for EW wet-lease (which is not pure expansion either btw).

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by convair » 06 Nov 2018, 19:33

RoMax wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 18:20
All that drama again for nothing :p

Old situation: 6 A333's, 4 A332's, at least that's clear for all.

Now then. Since summer 2018 the fleet roll-over kicked off with lots of things ongoing (early deliveries requiring temporary storage of several a/c, usage of SFC as 'hot spare' by SN until SFN would effectively stop operating, SFB in temporary wet-lease to EW to ensure they wouldn't lose the opportunity of filling AB's gap in DUS, lengthy maintenance in particular for the first cabin refit due to everything being new and requiring certification, etc). But in the end it's very simple:
- A333's: 6 -5 +7 = 8 (yes SFB will return to SN and SFC is the replacement of SFN, for the rest nothing really interesting happened yet, neither was it supposed to)
- A332's: 4 - 2 = 2 (their lease contracts stretch beyond 2020, they'll be replaced when their time is due)
So in total nothing changes with this fleet replacement project, it's 10 now and it will remain 10.

Besides that 4 ex-LH A333's are taken up in the fleet for EW wet-lease (which is not pure expansion either btw).
You're right, RoMax. (as usual ;) )

OK, I note that SFN is being replaced by SFC (already flying since the summer).
But, noting that SFY is "parked" at LIS (reason?) and that today both SFT and SFZ are AOG at BRU, I turn to the SN list given for the LH group that says SFE and SFG were to join the fleet by October; hence I'm wondering what's happening. If they are being fitted with that new interior in order to join the fleet later this year or next year, then the list is misleading, imho.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 06 Nov 2018, 19:43

convair wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 19:33
I turn to the SN list given for the LH group that says SFE and SFG were to join the fleet by October
Do you mean this list: https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/brussels ?
This list is not official and is made by a fan I guess, everyone can suggest a correction.

The remark 'to enter fleet 10/18' is just not up to date I think...

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RoMax » 06 Nov 2018, 22:21

convair wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 19:33
OK, I note that SFN is being replaced by SFC (already flying since the summer).
But, noting that SFY is "parked" at LIS (reason?) and that today both SFT and SFZ are AOG at BRU, I turn to the SN list given for the LH group that says SFE and SFG were to join the fleet by October; hence I'm wondering what's happening. If they are being fitted with that new interior in order to join the fleet later this year or next year, then the list is misleading, imho.
SFY is in C check
SFZ is AOG...well yeah those things happen
SFT is just 1 day in maintenance
Just bad luck to have this combination, but it was well backed up by the use of one of the A340's to operate the JFK rotation today

About the list with the EIS dates, as said above, that's not an official doc from SN or LHG, it's just based on 'public versions' of the available info. As you can imagine doing the phase-in/phase-out of so many aircraft in combination with full cabin refits (the full cabin is new, needs to certified, etc, once the first 1-2 are done, that process will become quicker) takes time and timings can change to some extent.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by convair » 07 Nov 2018, 01:20

RoMax wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 22:21
convair wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 19:33
OK, I note that SFN is being replaced by SFC (already flying since the summer).
But, noting that SFY is "parked" at LIS (reason?) and that today both SFT and SFZ are AOG at BRU, I turn to the SN list given for the LH group that says SFE and SFG were to join the fleet by October; hence I'm wondering what's happening. If they are being fitted with that new interior in order to join the fleet later this year or next year, then the list is misleading, imho.
SFY is in C check
SFZ is AOG...well yeah those things happen
SFT is just 1 day in maintenance
Just bad luck to have this combination, but it was well backed up by the use of one of the A340's to operate the JFK rotation today

About the list with the EIS dates, as said above, that's not an official doc from SN or LHG, it's just based on 'public versions' of the available info. As you can imagine doing the phase-in/phase-out of so many aircraft in combination with full cabin refits (the full cabin is new, needs to certified, etc, once the first 1-2 are done, that process will become quicker) takes time and timings can change to some extent.
Thanks for the info. My mistake was that I thought that LH Group list was official. I now understand that it will take "some time" before the other "new" A333s enter into service. Thanks again. :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 07 Nov 2018, 19:16

So today was the 7th of November and it seems nobody brought this date up.

O tempora o mores in a way but on the other hand it is probably good altogether to have turned the page.
High time if one wants to live the current chapter .... while it is still open.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Treeper » 08 Nov 2018, 08:46

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
07 Nov 2018, 19:16
So today was the 7th of November and it seems nobody brought this date up.

O tempora o mores in a way but on the other hand it is probably good altogether to have turned the page.
High time if one wants to live the current chapter .... while it is still open.

H.A.
Well Sabena has got nothing to do with the fleet renewal of Brussels Airlines... seems perfectly normal to me

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