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Previously, we were talking about an A319 to replace the Q400! Someone knows where he comes from and his registration? Thank you

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lenain258 wrote:
25 Sep 2017, 22:23
Previously, we were talking about an A319 to replace the Q400! Someone knows where he comes from and his registration? Thank you
I may be wrong, but I think that the new aircraft will be A320s. SN want to increase the A320/A319 ratio.

Hence, maybe the Q400 will be replaced by an (existing) A319, but this A319 itself will be replaced by an A320 (from TCAB for example).
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cathay belgium wrote:
25 Sep 2017, 17:05
luchtzak wrote:
25 Sep 2017, 08:29
Every airline can fill up A321 aircraft, in Summer. But in Winter your big aircraft is simply too big.
euh... WIZZAIR changes to an all A321 company, and Easyjet is also thinking of it...
They fly yearly round so guess you can't say it's too big :)
It's too big for SN ( at the moment ) :)
But if the A321NEO reaches nearby AFI, it can swop some A33X traffic and open up some grow...
without adding much more longhaul fleet...

But we had already one member once dreaming of this..
But as Dakar and Banjul are already operated by B738 why not ;)

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Several years ago, SN occasionally operated Dakar with an A319 when no A330 was available (due to AOG or maintenance).

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RTM wrote:
25 Sep 2017, 06:51
Last day of ops for DWE...
And a long one: to Warsaw, Basel and Copenhagen. Farewell DWE... :(

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convair wrote:
26 Sep 2017, 00:14

Several years ago, SN occasionally operated Dakar with an A319 when no A330 was available (due to AOG or maintenance).
Correct, but with a fuel stop both north and southbound.

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Hi all,

Interesting readings on airliners.net. They provide the dates the 7 'new' A330 will arrive at SN. here is the list:

A330-342 MSN679 B-LAC CX Oct/2019
A330-342 MSN895 B-LAG CX Mar/2018
A330-342 MSN915 B-LAH CX Jan/2018
A330-342 MSN959 B-LAI CX Apr/2018
A330-343 MSN978 9V-STA SQ Sept/2018
A330-343 MSN983 9V-STB SQ Oct/2018
A330-343 MSN1132 9V-STO SQ Jun/2019

The comment is also interesting: "I have added the timeframe in which the aircraft should arrive at SN (Cabin outfitting to the SN lay-out will take place after this date)... As you can see, 3 A330 will already arrive in the first 4 months of 2018. As far as I understand, one will be used for operations (mainly to serve additional frequencies to Africa), the 2 other a/c will be stored until the new cabin can be installed (in Q4 2018)."

See http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p19846229

Good to hear that they will have one additional A330 to start operations (I guess the first one can be ready in two months or so, so for the start of the summer season), so new destinations and/or (it seems) more frequencies (to Africa) ... Can anyone confirm this rumour?

However, I guess it depends also on when the 'old' A330 will gradually leave the fleet. Anyone has info on that?

On the other hand: why storing 2 aircraft for more than half a year?

Danny

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DannyVDB wrote:
01 Oct 2017, 08:57
Hi all,

Interesting readings on airliners.net. They provide the dates the 7 'new' A330 will arrive at SN. here is the list:

A330-342 MSN679 B-LAC CX Oct/2019
A330-342 MSN895 B-LAG CX Mar/2018
A330-342 MSN915 B-LAH CX Jan/2018
A330-342 MSN959 B-LAI CX Apr/2018
A330-343 MSN978 9V-STA SQ Sept/2018
A330-343 MSN983 9V-STB SQ Oct/2018
A330-343 MSN1132 9V-STO SQ Jun/2019

The comment is also interesting: "I have added the timeframe in which the aircraft should arrive at SN (Cabin outfitting to the SN lay-out will take place after this date)... As you can see, 3 A330 will already arrive in the first 4 months of 2018. As far as I understand, one will be used for operations (mainly to serve additional frequencies to Africa), the 2 other a/c will be stored until the new cabin can be installed (in Q4 2018)."

See http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p19846229

Good to hear that they will have one additional A330 to start operations (I guess the first one can be ready in two months or so, so for the start of the summer season), so new destinations and/or (it seems) more frequencies (to Africa) ... Can anyone confirm this rumour?

However, I guess it depends also on when the 'old' A330 will gradually leave the fleet. Anyone has info on that?

On the other hand: why storing 2 aircraft for more than half a year?

Danny
Or they increase back-up capacity because they want less leased-in replacements? Not quite the same standard as the rest of the fleet, but still a good solution when a plane is grounded for whatever reason.

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DannyVDB wrote:
01 Oct 2017, 08:57
Hi all,

Interesting readings on airliners.net. They provide the dates the 7 'new' A330 will arrive at SN. here is the list:

A330-342 MSN679 B-LAC CX Oct/2019 (SFH)
A330-342 MSN895 B-LAG CX Mar/2018 (SFC)
A330-342 MSN915 B-LAH CX Jan/2018 (SFB)
A330-342 MSN959 B-LAI CX Apr/2018 (SFD)
A330-343 MSN978 9V-STA SQ Sept/2018 (SFE)
A330-343 MSN983 9V-STB SQ Oct/2018 (SFG)
A330-343 MSN1132 9V-STO SQ Jun/2019 (SFF)

The comment is also interesting: "I have added the timeframe in which the aircraft should arrive at SN (Cabin outfitting to the SN lay-out will take place after this date)... As you can see, 3 A330 will already arrive in the first 4 months of 2018. As far as I understand, one will be used for operations (mainly to serve additional frequencies to Africa), the 2 other a/c will be stored until the new cabin can be installed (in Q4 2018)."

See http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p19846229

Good to hear that they will have one additional A330 to start operations (I guess the first one can be ready in two months or so, so for the start of the summer season), so new destinations and/or (it seems) more frequencies (to Africa) ... Can anyone confirm this rumour?

However, I guess it depends also on when the 'old' A330 will gradually leave the fleet. Anyone has info on that?

On the other hand: why storing 2 aircraft for more than half a year?

Danny
It is way cheaper to store two aircraft than to bring them up to operational status and condition, while not needing them. It would mean maintenance, insurance, hefty BRU parking costs for two aircraft every day... The other one is already operational spare... So why have three? And one you can store in BRU at own premesis, H41 or its platform, It would not fit 3 A333. And keep in mind, these aircraft are for replacement, not for expansion. Any plans for expansion would mean it involves another aircraft than these 7.

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Hi RTM,

If your read careful on what they 'state' on airliners.net: one will be used for expansian while the other / previous 10 remain in operation as well. So there will be expansion (if correctly claimed), but the additional plane (the real extension) will only come in 2019 ... That is how I read this.

Second, I can understand to 'park' some planes. I can't understand though that you would park the better/newer instead of parking earlier than foreseen the very old ones ...

D

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flightlover wrote:
01 Oct 2017, 10:55
Or they increase back-up capacity because they want less leased-in replacements? Not quite the same standard as the rest of the fleet, but still a good solution when a plane is grounded for whatever reason.
Why would they need two aircraft for that?

D

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DannyVDB wrote:
01 Oct 2017, 20:53

I can't understand though that you would park the better/newer instead of parking earlier than foreseen the very old ones ...
Money... Since the new planes are being bought (by LH) they will most likely only starting to cost money to SN from the day they'll go into active service. Before that they won't generate (big) costs (only parking, basic insurance) and thus are cheaper to park while the older ones are most likely not yet end of lease and thus will cost money until the lease expires. It's better to park a "free" plane and use a plane that you are paying for regardless if you use it or not. Due to the higher value of the new(er) planes the insurance of these birds, when in service, will also be higher compared to the older, low value, birds. I'm pretty sure that the accountants went over the numbers multiple times and they'll probably decided that in the short time frame the older planes are cheaper to use. On an extended periode of time the newer ones will be cheaper (lower fuel consumption, extra (freight)capacity, lower maintenance costs).

At least, that's what I think ;)

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DannyVDB wrote:
01 Oct 2017, 20:53
Hi RTM,

If your read careful on what they 'state' on airliners.net: one will be used for expansian while the other / previous 10 remain in operation as well. So there will be expansion (if correctly claimed), but the additional plane (the real extension) will only come in 2019 ... That is how I read this.

Second, I can understand to 'park' some planes. I can't understand though that you would park the better/newer instead of parking earlier than foreseen the very old ones ...

D
I generally don't read what is on airliners.net... Too much BS going on. But that is just my taste and opinion. So I can't judge the claim. Might be true, but it differs from what I've heard.

As for the parking thing, I think Bralo20 is spot on.

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TCV Was transferred to SN yesterday.

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Will it start flights before or after 28 October ? Thanks ;-)

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lenain258 wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 09:27
Will it start flights before or after 28 October ? Thanks ;-)
RTM wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 07:08
TCV Was transferred to SN yesterday.
On 8 October the aircraft will fly to East Midlands for its Brussels Airlines livery, the A320 is planned to head back to Brussels on the 18th of October for some additional maintenance. From 28 October the aircraft will be integrated in the Brussels Airlines schedule, as the airline will start flying its Winter schedule and the former Thomas Cook charter schedule.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8712427

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luchtzak wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 11:21
lenain258 wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 09:27
Will it start flights before or after 28 October ? Thanks ;-)
RTM wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 07:08
TCV Was transferred to SN yesterday.
On 8 October the aircraft will fly to East Midlands for its Brussels Airlines livery, the A320 is planned to head back to Brussels on the 18th of October for some additional maintenance. From 28 October the aircraft will be integrated in the Brussels Airlines schedule, as the airline will start flying its Winter schedule and the former Thomas Cook charter schedule.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8712427
will it keep it's original TC seats or the SN seats straight away ?
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It will keep its current cabin for the time being. But will be converted at next C-check. Probably winter 2018. Applies to most or all A320 coming in next year.

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RTM wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 13:24
It will keep its current cabin for the time being. But will be converted at next C-check. Probably winter 2018. Applies to most or all A320 coming in next year.
Airfleets says Airbus 320 - next OO-SNJ - ( Msn 3161 ) coming from AZ will enter the fleet too.

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luchtzak wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 11:21
lenain258 wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 09:27
Will it start flights before or after 28 October ? Thanks ;-)
RTM wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 07:08
TCV Was transferred to SN yesterday.
On 8 October the aircraft will fly to East Midlands for its Brussels Airlines livery, the A320 is planned to head back to Brussels on the 18th of October for some additional maintenance. From 28 October the aircraft will be integrated into the Brussels Airlines schedule, as the airline will start flying its Winter schedule and the former Thomas Cook charter schedule.
I hope that the aircraft transferred from TCAB will keep the screens and headset plugs that the other SN A320 aircraft are lacking. It's always nice to be able to follow the progress of a flight on a moving map and/or to watch/listen to entertainment programmes, especially on long flights.
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nordikcam wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 13:34
RTM wrote:
06 Oct 2017, 13:24
It will keep its current cabin for the time being. But will be converted at next C-check. Probably winter 2018. Applies to most or all A320 coming in next year.
Airfleets says Airbus 320 - next OO-SNJ - ( Msn 3161 ) coming from AZ will enter the fleet too.
Planespotters.net says however that the aircraft has been reserved for IndiGo. Who's right ?

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