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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by rwandan-flyer » 30 Oct 2017, 13:26

Bernard Gustin said in an interview to VTM that the RJ100 is quite old and has 4 engines, so not that cheap in costs compared to other types of aircraft. If you say that, this is a contradiction with the fact that you'll be flying in Germany with old 4-engined A343's. Shows quite clearly that LH decided the routes at DUS for SN...

A340 were produced till 2011, but from late 1990s to mid 2000s, they get some improvements with the A340-300X and A340-300E versions. Improvements are Engines, avionics, MTWO (maximum take off weight) and Cabin, based mainly on A330 for the A340X and mainly on the A340-500 / 600, for the A340-300E

Air France (and Joon), Swiss (and Edelweiss Airlines) and Lufthansa (and Lufthansa CityLine) use only A340X or A340E. Early built (1992-1995) A340-200s / 300s were phased at Lufthansa and Air France

Airlines look also the number of flying hours and number of cycles (take off and landing). Traffic is growing at Brussels Airlines and i think more and more routes are too big to be served with Avro, not like years ago, when the airline was struggling.

Remaining tinies routes are now served by BMI or CityJet with SSJ and it seems that SN is quite happy. Maybe, the airline will order regional aircraft in the future, but i think it will depend of Lufthansa projects.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by ryandaughter » 30 Oct 2017, 13:30

Don't know if it was mentioned already somewhere but Bernard Gustin made a quick speech yesterday before the departure of the last Avro flight. apart the Avro story, he welcomed all Thomas Cook employees in the brussels airlines family and mentioned also that some old A330 would be soon replaced. The first "new" one would arrive in decembre 2018. He also mentioned that he could be a good occasion to make a new event like for the last Arvo departing the company. There was no mention of those A343 arriving/SN operating flights for EW.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 30 Oct 2017, 14:03

ryandaughter wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 13:30
Don't know if it was mentioned already somewhere but Bernard Gustin made a quick speech yesterday before the departure of the last Avro flight. apart the Avro story, he welcomed all Thomas Cook employees in the brussels airlines family and mentioned also that some old A330 would be soon replaced. The first "new" one would arrive in decembre 2018. He also mentioned that he could be a good occasion to make a new event like for the last Arvo departing the company. There was no mention of those A343 arriving/SN operating flights for EW.
Are you sure about december 2018 ? Aviation.24 member Danny VDB said in a post 1.10.2017 ( same topic ) A 330 / MSN 915 B-LAH from CX will arrive in january 2018. Maybe december 2017 ? If not it's one year difference ! :o

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by ryandaughter » 30 Oct 2017, 16:32

nordikcam wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 14:03
ryandaughter wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 13:30
Don't know if it was mentioned already somewhere but Bernard Gustin made a quick speech yesterday before the departure of the last Avro flight. apart the Avro story, he welcomed all Thomas Cook employees in the brussels airlines family and mentioned also that some old A330 would be soon replaced. The first "new" one would arrive in decembre 2018. He also mentioned that he could be a good occasion to make a new event like for the last Arvo departing the company. There was no mention of those A343 arriving/SN operating flights for EW.
Are you sure about december 2018 ? Aviation.24 member Danny VDB said in a post 1.10.2017 ( same topic ) A 330 / MSN 915 B-LAH from CX will arrive in january 2018. Maybe december 2017 ? If not it's one year difference ! :o
I'm 99% sure of what I heard and even asked confirmation to the one aside of me to be sure I didn't wrongly understand (I was also expecting such news but for the coming months and not in more than one year).

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 30 Oct 2017, 16:49

ryandaughter wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 16:32
nordikcam wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 14:03
ryandaughter wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 13:30
Don't know if it was mentioned already somewhere but Bernard Gustin made a quick speech yesterday before the departure of the last Avro flight. apart the Avro story, he welcomed all Thomas Cook employees in the brussels airlines family and mentioned also that some old A330 would be soon replaced. The first "new" one would arrive in decembre 2018. He also mentioned that he could be a good occasion to make a new event like for the last Arvo departing the company. There was no mention of those A343 arriving/SN operating flights for EW.
Are you sure about december 2018 ? Aviation.24 member Danny VDB said in a post 1.10.2017 ( same topic ) A 330 / MSN 915 B-LAH from CX will arrive in january 2018. Maybe december 2017 ? If not it's one year difference ! :o
I'm 99% sure of what I heard and even asked confirmation to the one aside of me to be sure I didn't wrongly understand (I was also expecting such news but for the coming months and not in more than one year).
I was not there. OK...too bad ! One more year to wait ...I was thinking we could see the new one A330 in the next month...Thx

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by airbuske » 30 Oct 2017, 17:32

First A330 will enter service in december 2018!
Best regards,

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 30 Oct 2017, 18:00

My mistakes...My references = an older post :
DannyVDB wrote:
01 Oct 2017, 08:57
Hi all,

Interesting readings on airliners.net. They provide the dates the 7 'new' A330 will arrive at SN. here is the list:

A330-342 MSN679 B-LAC CX Oct/2019
A330-342 MSN895 B-LAG CX Mar/2018
A330-342 MSN915 B-LAH CX Jan/2018
A330-342 MSN959 B-LAI CX Apr/2018
A330-343 MSN978 9V-STA SQ Sept/2018
A330-343 MSN983 9V-STB SQ Oct/2018
A330-343 MSN1132 9V-STO SQ Jun/2019

The comment is also interesting: "I have added the timeframe in which the aircraft should arrive at SN (Cabin outfitting to the SN lay-out will take place after this date)... As you can see, 3 A330 will already arrive in the first 4 months of 2018. As far as I understand, one will be used for operations (mainly to serve additional frequencies to Africa), the 2 other a/c will be stored until the new cabin can be installed (in Q4 2018)."

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by crew1990 » 04 Nov 2017, 12:43

Does anyone has a full list of the (new) aircraft coming, A330, A320, A319 and SSJ100, their registration and date of arrival? It looks like there is almost 15 new frames coming in the next few month.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Kapitein » 04 Nov 2017, 12:51

KriVa wrote:
30 Oct 2017, 12:30
Anybody has a clue when DWD will leave BRU for the last time? I presume it will go back to the lessor, even if it gets broken up later on? I don't see them breaking her up at BRU?
For the moment it's still in HG41, engine nr.1 off.
Guess will be not soon it will leave

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Bird » 04 Nov 2017, 13:58

Brussels Airlines A330 reservations Are : 00 - SFB expected januari 2018, 00 - SFC expected maart 2018, 00 - SFD expected april 2018, 00 - SFE expected september 2018, 00 - SFF expected juni 2019, 00 - SFG expected oktober 2018, 00 - SFH expected oktober 2019
Brussels Airlines A320 reservations Are 00 - SNK, SNL,SNM and SNJ ( this one is coming from Alitalia)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 04 Nov 2017, 15:41

Bird wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 13:58
Brussels Airlines A330 reservations Are...
Thanks for the information, Bird, and welcome to Aviation 24.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 04 Nov 2017, 16:13

Bird wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 13:58
Brussels Airlines A330 reservations Are : 00 - SFB expected januari 2018, 00 - SFC expected maart 2018, 00 - SFD expected april 2018, 00 - SFE expected september 2018, 00 - SFF expected juni 2019, 00 - SFG expected oktober 2018, 00 - SFH expected oktober 2019
Brussels Airlines A320 reservations Are 00 - SNK, SNL,SNM and SNJ ( this one is coming from Alitalia)
So the first "new" one A330 will not arrive in december 2018...as said supra !

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RTM » 04 Nov 2017, 16:52

Bird wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 13:58
Brussels Airlines A320 reservations Are 00 - SNK, SNL,SNM and SNJ ( this one is coming from Alitalia)
NK is an Aeroflot machine, and NL and NK are coming from Air Berlin.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by DannyVDB » 04 Nov 2017, 16:55

Please always read carefull what is written ;)

I my original post (which came from Airliners.net) it was not said that the first 'new' A330 would enter in service early 2018, but that they would arrive in BRU in January, March 2018 .... In any case they would need new interiors, etc. So entrance into service can only be beginning of April or so ... But airplanes arriving and airplanes entering into service are two different things.

So the only discussion/confusion (and as far as I am concerned no clear answer from anyone yet) is when the first of the 7 'new' A330 would enter into service: is it already in Summer 2018 or only late 2018?

In case it would be e.g. late Spring then they can add more frequencies and/or new routes in Summer 2018. Since they announced already additional flights to Eastern Africa (+2/w) I thought this was the confirmation of the Summer 2018 scenario. However, it is perfectly possible that they are too busy with the launch of two daily connections from Dusseldorf and that the additional flight from BRU have to wait a bit, e.g. start only in Autumn 2018.

In both case we still have to be patient I am afraid ;)

And if we want the full picture we need also when the leasing contract of each of their current birds expire. Does anyone have these? If we have this information we can start defining many scenarios :D

D

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by DannyVDB » 04 Nov 2017, 16:56

A related question: do they need to perform 'maintenance' or other things prior to return the 'old' birds to the lessor?
D

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Bralo20 » 04 Nov 2017, 17:08

DannyVDB wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 16:56
A related question: do they need to perform 'maintenance' or other things prior to return the 'old' birds to the lessor?
D
It depends on what's agreed on in the contract, without seeing the contract that's something hard to know.

They might remove the interior and install the original interior but since all planes are getting a new interior there's not to much value in keeping the current interior in stock.

They might perform heavy maintenance but they might also deliver it as is to the lessor.

Again, all depends on what's stipulated in the contract... But since these are amongst the oldest A330's in the world I doubt there's any resale value for these birds except for scrap value so I think the chances are high they'll be scrapped quickly once they have been returned to the lessor. Since they don't have much value there's no reason to send them somewhere for long time storage unless Airbus wants one or more of these birds back to study how they performed during their lifetime?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 04 Nov 2017, 17:10

RTM wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 16:52
Bird wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 13:58
Brussels Airlines A320 reservations Are 00 - SNK, SNL,SNM and SNJ ( this one is coming from Alitalia)
NK is an Aeroflot machine, and NL and NK are coming from Air Berlin.
I guess you mean NL and NM from Air Berlin. ;)
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RTM » 04 Nov 2017, 17:18

sn26567 wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 17:10
RTM wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 16:52
Bird wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 13:58
Brussels Airlines A320 reservations Are 00 - SNK, SNL,SNM and SNJ ( this one is coming from Alitalia)
NK is an Aeroflot machine, and NL and NK are coming from Air Berlin.
I guess you mean NL and NM from Air Berlin. ;)
Correct... my mistake...

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RTM » 04 Nov 2017, 17:23

DannyVDB wrote:
04 Nov 2017, 16:55
Please always read carefull what is written ;)

I my original post (which came from Airliners.net) it was not said that the first 'new' A330 would enter in service early 2018, but that they would arrive in BRU in January, March 2018 .... In any case they would need new interiors, etc. So entrance into service can only be beginning of April or so ... But airplanes arriving and airplanes entering into service are two different things.

So the only discussion/confusion (and as far as I am concerned no clear answer from anyone yet) is when the first of the 7 'new' A330 would enter into service: is it already in Summer 2018 or only late 2018?

In case it would be e.g. late Spring then they can add more frequencies and/or new routes in Summer 2018. Since they announced already additional flights to Eastern Africa (+2/w) I thought this was the confirmation of the Summer 2018 scenario. However, it is perfectly possible that they are too busy with the launch of two daily connections from Dusseldorf and that the additional flight from BRU have to wait a bit, e.g. start only in Autumn 2018.

In both case we still have to be patient I am afraid ;)

And if we want the full picture we need also when the leasing contract of each of their current birds expire. Does anyone have these? If we have this information we can start defining many scenarios :D

D
The first one will enter service before the 2018 summer season as an ops spare aircraft. It will not yet get a new interior straight away as the others will. The interior of the first one will be done after the last one has entered service early 2020.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Inquirer » 04 Nov 2017, 18:32

Interesting discussion: any news on what bru.air entends to do with 4 additional A320 next year, because that's a serious capacity increase, taking into account there are no more AVRO jets to replace?
Or are they going to replace older/smaller A319 with them?
Thank you.

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