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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by lumumba » 17 Jan 2017, 16:10

RTM wrote:
17 Jan 2017, 15:50
A340... Forget about it... won't happen.
As for the A350, I also don't think it will happen, but I like to add that although for the flight crew it is a common type to the rest of the Airbus fleet, and requires minimum conversion, for maintenance personnel the opposite is true. It requires extra training in new construction technologies, thus making it a havier type rating coarse than average. Not the end of the world, but stating that it is easy because it is a common type for pilots, is a bit short sighted.

My guess is that the A330 will be harmonized as wel, like the short and medium haul fleet. I mean, now they have a little bit of every thing, Two length variants, three engine types.... Make more sense to upgrade to a single variant. Either current RR Trent 700 A333, or the NEO A339.
I'm not so sure about the A340 now SN is part of the LH group .
I think it's even more expensive for LH to use the A340 than SN and anyway selling them is not an option they worth nothing!
So if they really that cheap it's a calculation and like I said before with a strong play load it can be a winner.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RTM » 17 Jan 2017, 16:26

To me it doesn't make sense. After all the effort they put into reducing the costs, by going to as few as practical a/c types, it would be unlogical to let the cost go up again by unharmonizing the fleet. Won't happen.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by DeltaWiskey » 17 Jan 2017, 19:59

I really don't know why some people keep coming up with a A340, let alone a -600. SN doesn't need such a big bird at the moment. The A340 really is an aircraft of the past, it's already out of production for 7 years.

If you like to dream about a bigger aircraft for SN, start with the A350. It's unlikely in the next 5 years, but maybe thereafter :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by crew1990 » 18 Jan 2017, 10:22

Some more info for the SSJ of city jet.

-It will be in the Brussels Airlines livery
-98 seat, 5 abreast, 32 inch
-standard service of Brussels Airlines (Buy on board)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 18 Jan 2017, 10:30

crew1990 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:22
Some more info for the SSJ of city jet.

-It will be in the Brussels Airlines livery
-standard service of Brussels Airlines (Buy on board)
This was already known.
crew1990 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:22
-98 seat, 5 abreast, 32 inch
That is very comfortable! Any idea of the seat width? 18 inch?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by crew1990 » 18 Jan 2017, 11:18

sn26567 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:30
crew1990 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:22
Some more info for the SSJ of city jet.

-It will be in the Brussels Airlines livery
-standard service of Brussels Airlines (Buy on board)
This was already known.
crew1990 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:22
-98 seat, 5 abreast, 32 inch
That is very comfortable! Any idea of the seat width? 18 inch?
The fact that it was a buy on board service wasn't know yet as in the other wet lease, this is not the case :-)

I have no idea about the seat

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Bralo20 » 18 Jan 2017, 12:02

sn26567 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:30
That is very comfortable! Any idea of the seat width? 18 inch?
18,1" according to Sukhoi

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 18 Jan 2017, 16:40

crew1990 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 11:18
sn26567 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:30
crew1990 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:22
Some more info for the SSJ of city jet.

-It will be in the Brussels Airlines livery
-standard service of Brussels Airlines (Buy on board)
This was already known.
crew1990 wrote:
18 Jan 2017, 10:22
-98 seat, 5 abreast, 32 inch
That is very comfortable! Any idea of the seat width? 18 inch?
The fact that it was a buy on board service wasn't know yet as in the other wet lease, this is not the case :-)

I have no idea about the seat
Flybe offers the BOB as well only credit card payment .. while BMI give a full service in all classes
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Charlie Roy » 22 Jan 2017, 01:16

Some more info for the SSJ of city jet.

-It will be in the Brussels Airlines livery
-98 seat, 5 abreast, 32 inch
-standard service of Brussels Airlines (Buy on board)
Read on another forum (PPRUNE) that Aer Lingus will also use a leased Cityjet SSJ on Dublin - Gatwick starting late May.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 22 Jan 2017, 12:56

Charlie Roy wrote:
22 Jan 2017, 01:16
Some more info for the SSJ of city jet.

-It will be in the Brussels Airlines livery
-98 seat, 5 abreast, 32 inch
-standard service of Brussels Airlines (Buy on board)
Read on another forum (PPRUNE) that Aer Lingus will also use a leased Cityjet SSJ on Dublin - Gatwick starting late May.
as an extra? because they're already using their A320 on the route
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Airbus2016 » 22 Jan 2017, 20:42

Does anybody know when oo-sft will arrive in brussels? In march or already in february?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Charlie Roy » 22 Jan 2017, 21:24

as an extra? because they're already using their A320 on the route
Some of Aer Lingus's Dublin - Gatwick rotations will use a leased Cityjet SSJ instead of one of their own A320's.
In particular, the following rotation will definitely be using the SSJ:

Dublin - Gatwick
Gatwick - Knock
Knock - Gatwick
Gatwick - Dublin

Certainly a downgrade for Knock.
Possibly part of Dublin - London capacity review with BA.
Or simply a chance to redeploy the bigger A320 on profitable summer routes.

PS: Sorry to go off topic. Just wanted to add that Aer Lingus would, like Brussels Airlines, be leasing a Cityjet SSJ :geek:

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by crew1990 » 22 Jan 2017, 22:04

Looks like some good time ahead for Cityjet

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 22 Jan 2017, 23:23

Charlie Roy wrote:
22 Jan 2017, 21:24
PS: Sorry to go off topic. Just wanted to add that Aer Lingus would, like Brussels Airlines, be leasing a Cityjet SSJ :geek:
No problem: interesting news anyway!
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Inquirer » 23 Jan 2017, 14:04

sn26567 wrote:
22 Jan 2017, 23:23
Charlie Roy wrote:
22 Jan 2017, 21:24
PS: Sorry to go off topic. Just wanted to add that Aer Lingus would, like Brussels Airlines, be leasing a Cityjet SSJ :geek:
No problem: interesting news anyway!
So IAG is another wetlease customer of theirs then? Interesting indeed. ;)

It seems lke Cityjet is quickly building a business model on providing network airlines with an affordable solution to operate (new or additional) flights which are too thinly booked to fly their bigger mainline airplanes on, thus allowing them to cut their (self-)operating costs without cutting the flight itself.
It's a bit the BMI business model too, but then in a differently sized market segment.
It's something which has been quite commonly seen in the USA since years, but so far it wasn't in the EU: that seems to have chanced now.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Hue » 23 Jan 2017, 15:02

Avro OODWA left Brussels Airport today at 14:00LT as a ferry flight from a hangar destination Southend. Never to return again..?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RTM » 23 Jan 2017, 15:27

Inquirer wrote:
23 Jan 2017, 14:04
So IAG is another wetlease customer of theirs then? Interesting indeed. ;)

It seems lke Cityjet is quickly building a business model on providing network airlines with an affordable solution to operate (new or additional) flights which are too thinly booked to fly their bigger mainline airplanes on, thus allowing them to cut their (self-)operating costs without cutting the flight itself.
It's a bit the BMI business model too, but then in a differently sized market segment.
It's something which has been quite commonly seen in the USA since years, but so far it wasn't in the EU: that seems to have chanced now.
It's already going on for years here too... Just here at Brussels alone, Schreiner Airways operated Dash 8's and ATR's for Sabena for well over 10 years...
Hue wrote:
23 Jan 2017, 15:02
Avro OODWA left Brussels Airport today at 14:00LT as a ferry flight from a hangar destination Southend. Never to return again..?
Jep, it's gone.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Yuqu12 » 23 Jan 2017, 17:49

Goodby DWA! It was the plane which flew me home to Brussels last summer :D

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn-remember » 24 Jan 2017, 01:13

About the w/b fleet renewal/extension ..
American Airlines are expected to retire their entire A333 fleet (9 copies) from next year .. I don't know the exact status of these aircrafts, could it be of interest for SN 's purpose ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by teach » 24 Jan 2017, 07:05

sn-remember wrote:
24 Jan 2017, 01:13
About the w/b fleet renewal/extension ..
American Airlines are expected to retire their entire A333 fleet (9 copies) from next year .. I don't know the exact status of these aircrafts, could it be of interest for SN 's purpose ?
Those planes are all 16 - 17 years old at the moment. Not much of a 'renewal'...

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