2008-2009 Liège Airport (LGG) latest news

[Atlantis]

Also TNT airways transported 10% less cargo.

http://www.nieuwsbladtransport.nl/nieuw ... t_TNT.html

??

20% growth - 7% decrease is still positive to me ...

CAL is also having several flights a day between LGG, TLV and JFK
(yesterday only : 2xJFK and 2xTLV)
The amound of cargo between those destination is insane. Fresh product mostly.

And it should be more, i'm surprised by the low trafic of El Al ...

I think you mixed some figures. I suppose that the 20% growth - during some months - stands for the growth at LGG but the 7% is the worldwide decrease in one single month. You can't compare with it. You have to take the current LGG figures (if available) and see what happened at the airport.
The same for Brussels Airport: the first three months a growth with 14,7% in cargo and now a decrease with 25,6% in one month (decrease with 7% worldwide). Tou have compare the own airport figures and then you will see how your airport is doing it against the others.

But then again: what is low traffic? How many cargo planes do they have? What was the goal of El Al?
(2xJFK and 2xTLV) do you mean 2 different planes to/from JFK and 2 different planes to/from TLV? Or is it one plane with a stop at LGG? 4 or 2 planes is a big difference.

[Acid-drop]

You are right, I took the (supposed) 20% growth of LGG, already knowing the decrease of TNT, so I thought that other companies must go very well so the result is still +20% despite the crisis. But it's too early to tell. I guess everybody will suffer.

Maybe it's already badly the case with El Al, and that's why the trafic is so low ...
El Al has four 747F, while CAL has only 2. But it seems that they are doing less trafic. That's why I was surprised. And anyway, it seems that Amdam had more trafic than that.

About CAL : I think it's only a stop in LGG, but if I understand well your question, I can answser : no, it's not like Kalitta, it's not just a maintenance stop. But hard to say if it's the same plane, they are doing much more LGG-TLV rotation than LGG-JFK.

Trafic of CAL for last week (same week than previous figures for El Al):

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ICL914  LGG  20/10/2008 02:30  MON  TLV  20/10/2008 07:44  MON 
ICL901  TLV  20/10/2008 18:00  MON  LGG  20/10/2008 21:56  MON 
ICL903  TLV  21/10/2008 18:00  TUE  LGG  21/10/2008 21:29  TUE 
ICL904  LGG  22/10/2008 00:40  WED  TLV  22/10/2008 05:51  WED 
ICL931  TLV  22/10/2008 18:00  WED  LGG  22/10/2008 21:53  WED 
ICL906  LGG  22/10/2008 23:40  WED  TLV  23/10/2008 05:38  THU 
ICL931  LGG  23/10/2008 14:40  THU  JFK  23/10/2008 16:36  THU 
ICL909  TLV  23/10/2008 18:00  THU  LGG  23/10/2008 22:12  THU 
ICL932  JFK  23/10/2008 22:00  THU  LGG  24/10/2008 13:05  FRI 
ICL932  LGG  24/10/2008 13:30  FRI  TLV  24/10/2008 18:25  FRI 
ICL971  TLV  24/10/2008 22:00  FRI  LGG  25/10/2008 12:06  SAT 
ICL972  LGG  25/10/2008 11:30  SAT  TLV  25/10/2008 16:34  SAT 
ICL981  LGG  25/10/2008 18:00  SAT  JFK  26/10/2008 00:15  SUN 
ICL941  TLV  25/10/2008 19:30  SAT  LGG  25/10/2008 23:36  SAT 
ICL974  LGG  26/10/2008 00:00  SUN  TLV  26/10/2008 05:10  SUN 
ICL941  LGG  26/10/2008 02:10  SUN  JFK  26/10/2008 08:09  SUN 
ICL913  TLV  26/10/2008 18:00  SUN  LGG  26/10/2008 22:56  SUN 

[an-148]

biologistics:

after Singapore, now Memphis: (french) : http://www.actu24.be/page/depechesdetai ... wsid=42376

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"Brussels and Liege jostle for position as top Belgian gateway"
http://group.tnt.com/press/tntinthenews ... ek_41.aspx

[an-148]

biologistics:

after Singapore, now Memphis: (french) : http://www.actu24.be/page/depechesdetai ... wsid=42376

tv (french) : http://www.rtc.be/content/view/6427/166/

[an-148]

anybody to know more about this: http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1502/Belgiqu ... rset.dhtml
?

[airazurxtror]

A correspondent of mine tells me it's a Kalitta B747 (N716CK) from Newark landed at Liège with engine troubles.
Can somebody confirm it ?

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a kalitta ...oh
what a surprise

[Acid-drop]

ah nimby's
http://www.lesoir.be/regions/liege/bier ... 6968.shtml

[Acid-drop]

LGG has lost Kalitta !

Reason : (From Kalitta (by mail))

Fuel prices last week in OST / EBOS were 30 cents below
LGG / EBLG; while BRU / EBBR is 50+ cents per gallon cheaper. Even the
slightly higher handling charges still make it beneficial for us,
considering we uplift anywhere from 25,000 to 35,000 gallons per stop.
We naturally will re-assess the situation once the LGG / EBLG fuel
prices drops to the range of the other two.

Seems that LGG mgmt has done a big mistake here ...
Hopefully, this might be only temporary

We are using OST / EBOS or LGG / EBLG for European night time tech
tops. We use BRU / EBBR during the day only because of the night
restrictions.

Meaning, if LGG had cheaper fuel, it could have some (all ?) BRU flights too ...

[OO-JFP]

Meaning, if LGG had cheaper fuel, it could have some (all ?) BRU flights too ...

Could it mean Liege looses other trafic too because of this ?
Someone needs to explain me as well why there is such difference in fuel prices in a small country like ours.
Ridiculous if you ask me.
I would assume that consumption in Brussels is the highest thus the cheapest to buy in but still...

OO-JFP

[Atlantis]

LGG has lost Kalitta !

Reason : (From Kalitta (by mail))

Fuel prices last week in OST / EBOS were 30 cents below
LGG / EBLG; while BRU / EBBR is 50+ cents per gallon cheaper. Even the
slightly higher handling charges still make it beneficial for us,
considering we uplift anywhere from 25,000 to 35,000 gallons per stop.
We naturally will re-assess the situation once the LGG / EBLG fuel
prices drops to the range of the other two.

Seems that LGG mgmt has done a big mistake here ...
Hopefully, this might be only temporary

We are using OST / EBOS or LGG / EBLG for European night time tech
tops. We use BRU / EBBR during the day only because of the night
restrictions.

Meaning, if LGG had cheaper fuel, it could have some (all ?) BRU flights too ...

That's we saw each day more and more Kalitta's at BRU -> see one of my previous posts.

But is the handling company not responsible for the fuel prices on an airport?

I don't think, but you are never sure, that Kalitta will leave BRU only for fuel. Kalitta is using LGG mainly as a fuelstop while they are using BRU for real loading and un-loading cargo.
When there will be a switch then it will be between OST and LGG.

[Atlantis]

Could it mean Liege looses other trafic too because of this ?

OO-JFP

I saw this week also a daily flight of Ethiopian Cargo operated by Southern Air.

[Acid-drop]

It the mgmt don't react quickly, it can become very ridiculous indeed.
But I can't explain the price difference within the same country...
But this is not logical, if the price of fuel was the only reason, OST and LGG (or Hahn, maastricht, vatry, ... ?) could have stolen a lot to BRU. Why they didnt do it ? (especially OST that is very small and could become bigger)
OST and BRU have the nato pipeline fuel also ?

Anyway, to be honest, we must see that these flights are trash flights for belgium, no jobs are created, and it's only making noice and polution... but give a nice figure at the end of the year...

[Zealot]

OST and BRU have the nato pipeline fuel also ?

BRU has, OST hasn't and thats why OST should have the most expensive fuel of 3 airports (LGG, BRU, OST)

[Acid-drop]

That's what I thought too ...
It looks like LGG mgmt didn't fallow the fall of the fuel price ...
We'll see in a few days/weeks if it's temporary or not

[taz1968]

But is the handling company not responsible for the fuel prices on an airport?

A handling company has no influence on the fuelprices.
The Handling company only benefits from lower fuelprices, because it could atract more customers.
Fuelcompany's themselves make the prices, sometimes in direct negotiations with the airline.

Why LGG has such high fuelprices in comparisson to BRU and OST is something to be worried about, because certainly compared with BRU they should be about the same (maybe slightly higher due to the bigger volume BRU is using).
It seems the fuelcompany's currently present at LGG are trying to make a big profit on the short term, on the long term it will only cost them money.
But who are we to imagine how the stupid minds of managing directors of big oil concerns work


regards

[Acid-drop]

I had a short contact with the director of LGG, that will contact Total to ask more information about the fuel price.
It is normal that LGG is more expensive than BRU (but the handling cost are lower), but it should be cheaper than OST. I guess they will try to have the situation back to normal.

EDIT : this is all related to the variation in the price of fuel, some companies are calculating on the average of the last month, interesting when prices are rising, opposite when they are falling like now. There are at least 2 fuel companies in LGG, kalitta choose the wrong one, LGG mgmt will contact them to see if a change is possible...

[OO-JFP]

I think Kalitta resumed it's flights to LGG.
And the winner is... Kalitta Air.
Why am I not surprised ?

[an-148]

numbers for 2008 :

cargo (increase, although world decline of 13%+ ) :
http://www.liegeairport.com/liege-airpo … go_003.htm

pax: increase :
http://www.liegeairport.com/liege-airpo … on_003.htm


well done