Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Established02 » 05 Oct 2009, 21:06

Atlantis wrote:according to someone of the 15th Wing even the tarmac is not strong enough for a full loaded A330
The Belgian Air Force has chartered numerous times an ADB AN124 for various long haul missions.

These AN124s were always loaded at Melsbroek. The fact that an AN124 was called in, suggests that there was a need for a substantial payload and that the AN124 also departed with this payload.

I remember a C-5 being parked at Melsbroek during the late Eighties.

I think that also the Japan Air Force B744s were parked at Melsbroek a few years ago.

Why would there now be a problem with an A330, while in the past we have seen other heavies passing through Melsbroek seemingly without causing any problems?

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by jan_olieslagers » 05 Oct 2009, 21:28

Atlantis wrote:according to someone of the 15th Wing even the tarmac is not strong enough for a full loaded A330
That must have been Regi's "low ranking sergenat major" hahaha

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Bottie » 05 Oct 2009, 21:58

jan_olieslagers wrote:
Atlantis wrote:according to someone of the 15th Wing even the tarmac is not strong enough for a full loaded A330
That must have been Regi's "low ranking sergenat major" hahaha

That must have been Crembo's sergeant, Dirk De Smul (or called De Smurf by some ;) ).

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Atlantis » 05 Oct 2009, 22:33

Established02 wrote: I think that also the Japan Air Force B744s were parked at Melsbroek a few years ago.

Why would there now be a problem with an A330, while in the past we have seen other heavies passing through Melsbroek seemingly without causing any problems?
I would say more. I tought that there were two Japan B744 at the same time at Melsbroek but I don't think they were fully loaded. One was a back up aircraft.

BTW when was the tarmac renewed at Melsbroek? I can't remember me that.

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by regi » 06 Oct 2009, 10:59

The minister stated already that the A330 would not necessarely been based permanently at Melsbroek.

But besides of maintenance? I suppose that there are sometimes other reasons to put the airplane in the hangar. Loading or discharging of sensitive material ( weather conditions, security ), people,...

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Bralo20 » 06 Oct 2009, 11:41

Atlantis wrote: I would say more. I tought that there were two Japan B744 at the same time at Melsbroek but I don't think they were fully loaded. One was a back up aircraft.

BTW when was the tarmac renewed at Melsbroek? I can't remember me that.
The weight is not an issue, not now, not in the past not in the future. The Melsbroek tarmac can handle weights which exceedes twice the MTOW of the A333.

The only issue left is the hangar. I don't now if the wingspan will fit the hanger but if it does fit there isn't a problem either... The hangar was allready to small for the A310's which didn't fit in the hangar either...

So in the end maybe they had better leased a A321 or so... No weight issues, no length or width issues, all problems solved... OK, maybe it's only a short/medium haul with insufficient cargo capacity but at least everybody would be happy... Or not... Because then there would be issues concerning the range, the capacity etc...

Conclusion: It doesn't matter which plane is bought/leased or rented, there will be always a problem with it ;)

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by teddybAIR » 06 Oct 2009, 13:41

Bralo20 wrote:Conclusion: It doesn't matter which plane is bought/leased or rented, there will be always a problem with it ;)
I guess you just wrapped it up in one sentence: some decisions will just never be ok...actually: what are we fundamentally discussing about?! What is the worst thing that could happen and how much better would the best alternative be? Enough said: it will be a A333, period
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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by TripleD » 08 Oct 2009, 07:13

It is indeed a shortsighted decision, but it also creates a window of opportunity for both the army and the airport to relocate the military airport to a 'better' place.

This would create extra space for airport development, such as a large General Aviation airport, a second zone of expansion for Brucargo etc.

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Atlantis » 08 Oct 2009, 16:58

TripleD wrote: This would create extra space for airport development, such as a large General Aviation airport, a second zone of expansion for Brucargo etc.
No need to expand Brucargo to that side because Brucargo West is the main goal.

Like I have said years ago. In a modern time there is no place for militairy activities on a modern airport.
If they want a LCT on the airport, that's the right place to put one + a parking lot for them.

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by regi » 09 Oct 2009, 11:04

to Teddybair:
you quote me, but I did not write that conclusion. Can you correct your message please?

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Bralo20 » 14 Oct 2009, 10:50

The "new" Airbus is scheduled to fly to BRU from AMS on the 22nd of October:

STD 2200 Lt. on 22/10 to BRU

I'll be in Dallas then, so it would be nice if there are spotters kind enough to make some pics from it? :mrgreen:

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by tangolima » 14 Oct 2009, 12:43

Bralo20 wrote:The "new" Airbus is scheduled to fly to BRU from AMS on the 22nd of October:

STD 2200 Lt. on 22/10 to BRU

I'll be in Dallas then, so it would be nice if there are spotters kind enough to make some pics from it? :mrgreen:
hello Bralo20,

Thanks for this info !!!

So will arrive 30 min later then in BRU

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by teddybAIR » 14 Oct 2009, 14:00

Regi,

My mistake, I ment to quote Bralo20 but your name appeared by mistake. Sorry for any inconvenience!

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by regi » 14 Oct 2009, 17:10

thank you for the correction.

By the way: with the yearly budget been allocated, has anybody seen the budget for a new hangar? Or maybe a temporarely tent ?

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by tangolima » 19 Oct 2009, 17:19

Hello,

ARRIVAL CHANGED !!!!

Found this in the system

ETA. 19.30 from AMS on the 23/10

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by LX-LGX » 25 Oct 2009, 21:24

tangolima wrote:
ETA. 19.30 from AMS on the 23/10
Flemish newspapers report that the aircraft arrived tonight - 25/10.

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Sabena320 » 25 Oct 2009, 21:42

Yup, it did arrive tonight at 17:04LT after the shower of rain coming from AMS:

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by jan_olieslagers » 25 Oct 2009, 21:45

Strange, these "Belgian Air Force" titles. Wasn't that changed into "Air component of the Belgian Armed Forces" or some such gibberish a couple of years ago? Let us hope the rest of the plane is more up to date...

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Captain Remi » 26 Oct 2009, 00:02

I agree with Jan Olieslagers... What's the deal with "Belgian Air Force"?? :s
I thought that the Falcons sported Defence or something like that...

Also, does anyone have an idea if the tail will remain dull blue or will it at least receive the Belgian flag or the Royal Emblem as the A310's/ EMB's and Falcons have....?

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Re: Belgian Government: 1 A330 will replace the A310's

Post by Shanti » 26 Oct 2009, 07:22

belgian flag would be nice :D

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