Turkish Airlines B737 crashes in Schiphol Amsterdam - TK1951

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Propwash

Re: Turkish Airlines B737 crashes in Schiphol Amsterdam

Post by Propwash » 22 Apr 2010, 05:51

Because the Dutch Transport Safety Board (DTSB) had to negotiate with THY, LVNL and Boeing), the final report will be officially released on May 6th (source)
The Dutch Safety Board performs independent, comprehensive investigations into the causes or probable causes of individual – or categories ....
If Boeing is indeed 'held' reliable for 80%(?), I 'personally' don't thrust the DTSB anymore.

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Re: Turkish Airlines B737 crashes in Schiphol Amsterdam

Post by flightlover » 22 Apr 2010, 11:57

Propwash wrote: If Boeing is indeed 'held' reliable for 80%(?), I 'personally' don't thrust the DTSB anymore.
I Think that you mean boeing is being helt accountable for 80%, meaning not to rely on.
If they would have been 80% reliable they would be safe to trust.

Boeing get's the blame in this case.

Propwash

Re: Turkish Airlines B737 crashes in Schiphol Amsterdam

Post by Propwash » 23 Apr 2010, 06:09

flightlover wrote:I Think that you mean boeing is being helt accountable for 80%,...
You're correct ;)

Sorry for the misprint.

Before jumping into my own conclusion, I'll read the the final report multiple times first.
Right now, blaming Boeing for 80% doesn't make common sense to me.

Where are the 'good old' basic scanning and Flying skills these days (AVIATE, Navigate and Communicate).
Example: if disconnection doesn't seem to work, you immediately pull the circuit breaker (CB).
Can't modern pilots, think, handle and act 'fast' by themselves anymore?

What's next?
Aircraft manufacturer instrument panel placard (or something ...):
"Not maintaining basic scanning cycles, basic flying skills, monitoring flight- and engine data etc. etc. can lead to serious injury or dead"

BTW In accordance with Annex 13 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, it is not the purpose of aircraft accident investigation to apportion blame or liability. The sole objective of the investigation and the Final Report is the determination of the causes, and define recommendations in order to prevent future accidents and incidents (source)

Propwash

Re: Turkish Airlines B737 crashes in Schiphol Amsterdam

Post by Propwash » 28 Apr 2010, 11:59

Polder crash assistance price tag Safety Region Kennemerland 700.000 Eur.

Article in Dutch here (NU.nl)

Propwash

Re: Turkish Airlines B737 crashes in Schiphol Amsterdam

Post by Propwash » 06 May 2010, 11:34

Ongeluk Turkish Airlines: piloten reageerden niet goed
Update: donderdag 6 mei 2010, 11:01

Turkish Airlines vlucht TK1951 is vorig jaar februari vlak voor de Polderbaan neergestort door een samenloop van een technische storing en fouten van zowel de piloten als de luchtverkeersleiding. Dat concludeert de Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid in zijn rapport dat vandaag is verschenen.

Source

In other words, a massive Crew F*ck Up.


Propwash

Re: Turkish Airlines B737 crashes in Schiphol Amsterdam

Post by Propwash » 06 May 2010, 15:41

As expected Turkish Airlines wanna clean their own butt (doesn't agree with ..) :thumbdown:

Turkish Airlines is het niet eens met rapport (6 mei 2010 14:52 NU.nl)

Yeah, blaming Boeing for their own 'first class' Crew incompetence (lack of fundamental basic Flying skills), lack of following SOPs etc. etc.

Note: see also article (Flightglobal) Turkish Airlines crash: evidence points to pilots

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