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Re: BRU summer 2009: latest news, routes, airlines

Post by BrightCedars » 15 Dec 2008, 14:13

The AA 777 upgrade for ORD is indeed great news. But what is the status of the JFK flight from May 1st?

This could be the preparation of the JFK flight being pulled following the developments surrounding SN. Or it could be that AA is maintaining/upgrading its 767 fleet and sub temporarily.

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Post by sdbelgium » 15 Dec 2008, 14:16

BrightCedars wrote:But what is the status of the JFK flight from May 1st?
AA 170/1 still bookable and still listed as 763ER on Amadeus.

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Post by tolipanebas » 15 Dec 2008, 15:44

Mind you, STAR alliance membership for SN isn't expected for another 9 to 12 months at best!

In the mean time, SN must prepare itself for its integration in both STAR alliance as well as conclude the merger with LH, so don't expect a change to its transatlantic code-share partner in 2009. As said: there are other more urgent things to do first, notably on the self-operated flights: the European network is still loss-making and must be turned around asap and the African network has to be expanded by at least one (and better even two) additional long haul planes if it is to be somewhat of a worthy competitor to AF/KL in the eyes of LH.

Obviously, once SN will have joined STAR, we will see a full re-allignment of their code-share partners too and you can be sure to see them swap AA for UA, CO and US. When that happens, I'd expect ORD will most probably be downgraded to 767 again by AA and JFK pulled all together.

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Post by Kapitein » 15 Dec 2008, 16:55

sdbelgium wrote:
BrightCedars wrote:But what is the status of the JFK flight from May 1st?
AA 172/1 still bookable and still listed as 763ER on Amadeus.
AA172/171 should become a 757-200 Winglets starting 13/05/2009

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Post by Conti764 » 15 Dec 2008, 18:19

BrightCedars wrote:The AA 777 upgrade for ORD is indeed great news.
This really surprises me... But I expect a downgrade again when SN joins *A and the United flight to ORD will gain importance.

Luckily we'll still have 3 T7's at BRU (CO, UA an AA)

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Post by Atlantis » 15 Dec 2008, 18:42

Flying-Belgian wrote:Seems like AA upgradres ORD-BRU-ORD to the 777 ! Effective from 1st May 2009.
According to A.net forum, it won't be seasonal. ;)

That sounds like great news.

The route has been flown by a 767 since 1988, with some DC10 intervals in 1991-1992. 8-)

Can Atlantis confirm this ?
At this moment no announcement for this upgrade (not really necessary because its an excisting route), but the AA-webside shows already the B777 as from 01.05.09 so you can be sure that this is correct.

It would be great to see the B777 of AA at Brussels Airport. Time will tell how long they will fly with this metal to BRU

At this moment, the summer 09 for Brussels Airport looks bright.

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Post by Atlantis » 15 Dec 2008, 19:22

sdbelgium wrote:
Atlantis wrote: Can you please recheck and reconfirm this info? I'm getting a little nervous, because Amadeus is showing A332 for these dates again :? ...
The webside of EY is also showing at this moment an A332 on day 4. Their timetable at this moment is not final.

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Post by Atlantis » 19 Dec 2008, 20:26

Easyjet is going to increase their numbers of flights between Brussels Airport and Milan and Nice.

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Post by LJ » 21 Dec 2008, 10:51

I don´t known if it is already mentioned but Sn Brussels has applied (and received) slots for a daily BRU-AMS-BRU flight (with AR8). Looking at the timings ex AMS this is probably done to feed the Africa flights.

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Post by HighInTheSky » 21 Dec 2008, 11:26

LJ wrote:I don´t known if it is already mentioned but Sn Brussels has applied (and received) slots for a daily BRU-AMS-BRU flight (with AR8). Looking at the timings ex AMS this is probably done to feed the Africa flights.
That's good news, any info on hours and flightnr?

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Post by Atlantis » 21 Dec 2008, 12:29

LJ wrote:I don´t known if it is already mentioned but Sn Brussels has applied (and received) slots for a daily BRU-AMS-BRU flight (with AR8). Looking at the timings ex AMS this is probably done to feed the Africa flights.
Hi LJ,

Have they received the slots for real because the slot convention is just behind us and is not final yet.

But it would be good news to feed their African network when LH will transfer some a/c and destinations to BRU.

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Post by LJ » 21 Dec 2008, 13:25

This is what is listed on the slotallocation website:

From To
A/D Apt Flight From To Days Seats A/C Apt Apt Time Apt Apt
D AMS SN7402 31MAR 20OCT 1234567 082 AR8 0545 BRU BRU
A AMS SN7403 31MAR 20OCT 1234567 082 AR8 BRU BRU 0820

Don´t know if they´re actually going to use them though. I just can´t figure out how SN can depart to BRU at 7:45 and returns at 10:20. Very strange. Well we´ll see.
Atlantis wrote:Hi LJ,

Have they received the slots for real because the slot convention is just behind us and is not final yet.

But it would be good news to feed their African network when LH will transfer some a/c and destinations to BRU.
At present 307,409 slots are allocated for the AMS Summer 2009 season whereas the capacity is 275,000. We all know that many slots will be returned by January 31st, but the slots have been allocated. One thing for sure is that VLM´s 17 daily (on weekdays) AMS-LCY slots won´t materialise...

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Post by Atlantis » 21 Dec 2008, 15:29

Flightnumber is SN7XXX which is currently unused.

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Post by tolipanebas » 21 Dec 2008, 16:55

LJ wrote: I just can´t figure out how SN can depart to BRU at 7:45 and returns at 10:20. Very strange. Well we´ll see.
Maybe the same way as the single daily CDG flight is operated: i.e. foreign-based wet lease?
The schedule looks very similar too BTW...

It could explain the weird flight number, as the 7xxx range is currently unused, although there recently was proof of a new daily SN flight to Leipzig as from the summer season, also featuring a flight number starting with a 7xxx...

Oooh, AF/KL is NOT going to like this, but hey, SN is under the wings of LH, so I would not be surprised to see SN go much more head-on with AF/KL than in the past...

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Post by Atlantis » 22 Dec 2008, 19:58

Brussels Airlines is going to start a scheduled flight to Palermo. It will be a weekly flight on Saturday around noon. At this moment only Jetairfly and Thomas Cook Airlines are offering holiday flights.

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Post by sdbelgium » 23 Dec 2008, 20:28

Atlantis wrote:Brussels Airlines is going to start a scheduled flight to Palermo. It will be a weekly flight on Saturday around noon. At this moment only Jetairfly and Thomas Cook Airlines are offering holiday flights.
Schedule is released and as followed:

Code: Select all

SN 3135  BRU 1405  PMO 1640
SN 3136  PMO 1740  BRU 2020

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Post by Air Key West » 24 Dec 2008, 12:40

Apparently, brussels airlines is abandoning its general rule of a 30-minute turnaround which they introduced on the occasion of the snba/Virgin Express merger (or have I missed something ?)
In favor of quality air travel.

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Post by tolipanebas » 25 Dec 2008, 13:39

Atlantis wrote:Brussels Airlines is going to start a scheduled flight to Palermo. It will be a weekly flight on Saturday around noon. At this moment only Jetairfly and Thomas Cook Airlines are offering holiday flights.
During July and August, the flight to PMO will also operate on Wednesday...

All flights to be operated by 737

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Post by sdbelgium » 25 Dec 2008, 13:57

tolipanebas wrote:
Atlantis wrote:Brussels Airlines is going to start a scheduled flight to Palermo. It will be a weekly flight on Saturday around noon. At this moment only Jetairfly and Thomas Cook Airlines are offering holiday flights.
During July and August, the flight to PMO will also operate on Wednesday...

All flights to be operated by 737
Indeed, the schedule is different however.

The flights on Saturday depart in the early afternoon and have a full hour turnaround time:

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SN 3135  BRU 1405  PMO 1640
SN 3136  PMO 1740  BRU 2020
Flights on Wednesday will depart earlier in the morning and will only have a 45 minute turnaround:

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SN 3135  BRU 0955  PMO 1230
SN 3136  PMO 1315  BRU 1555

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Re: BRU summer 2009: latest news, routes, airlines

Post by Atlantis » 27 Dec 2008, 15:40

With almost three months to go, it's maybe not a bad idea to give an overview of the new summer season.

New routes and airlines

:arrow: 29.03.09: Aegean Airlines is going to start a daily flight to Athens with an A320

:arrow: 31.03.09: Windjet is going to start with two flights a week to Bologna with an A319.

:arrow: 01.04.09: Royal Jordanian is going to start with two flights a week to Amman with an A319

:arrow: No date: Brussels Airlines is going to start scheduled flights to Palermo with a B737. During July and
August twice weekly.


Increasing number of flights

:arrow: 29.03.09: Etihad is going to increase their number of flights from 4 to 6 flights a week.

:arrow: 29.03.09: Air Transat is going to increase their numbers of flights to 4 weekly.

:arrow: July and August: Brussels Airlines is going to increase their number of flights between Kigali and
Nairobi from 3 to 4 weekly.

:arrow: No date: Easyjet is going to increase their numbers of flights to Milan and Nice. Probably 1 each.


Metal

:arrow: 01.05.09: American Airlines is going to upgrade on their route to ORD the B763 to a B772

:arrow: 02.06.09: Continental Airlines is going to upgrade on their route to EWR the B764 to a B772.


Uncertain

:arrow: Easyjet with a new route to Man, twice daily with an A320.

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