b.air forced to lease MD-83 from flightline!

tolipanebas · Post by **tolipanebas** » 12 Sep 2007, 08:51

Due to the ever growing pilot shortage and subsequent huge operational problems at Brussels Airlines, the airline has decided to expand on their original idea to lease a single BAe146 to cope with capacity shortfalls and that as of 17 September, an MD-83 of Flightline with a capacity of 170 pax will be wetleased indefinitely.

The leased aircraft will in a first stage be used on flights to Lyon, Manchester and Prague and will be operated by Flightline cockpit and cabin crew, with one Brussels Airlines cabin crew attendant present on each of the flights for commercial reasons.

Below is an overview of the frequencies planned on the Flightline MD83:

SN3587 BRU 08:55 LYS 10:20 days 123456.
SN3588 LYS 10:50 BRU 12:15 days 123456.
SN3589 BRU 14:45 LYS 16:15 day 7
SN3590 LYS 16:45 BRU 18:10 day 7
SN3593 BRU 19:45 LYS 21:15 days 12345.7
SN3594 LYS 06:50 BRU 08:10 days 12345.7

SN2177 BRU 15:35 MAN 15:55 days 123456.
SN2178 MAN 16:25 BRU 18:45 days 123456.

SN2809 BRU 09:30 PRG 11:05 day 7
SN2810 PRG 11:35 BRU 13:05 day 7

Ducatibiker · Post by **Ducatibiker** » 12 Sep 2007, 09:18

tolipanebas wrote: The leased aircraft will in a first stage be used on flights to Lyon, Manchester and Prague and will be operated by Flightline cockpit and cabin crew, with one Brussels Airlines cabin crew attendant present on each of the flights for commercial reasons.

Below is an overview of the frequencies planned on the Flightline MD83:

Commercial reasons = sell b.light meals and explain to b.flex passengers why they only get 15 gr. of cold pasta with 3 peas and no champagne ?

I hope Flightline has Indian crews like Jet Airways !

camel · Post by **camel** » 12 Sep 2007, 09:40

Commercial reasons = sell b.light meals and explain to b.flex passengers why they only get 15 gr. of cold pasta with 3 peas and no champagne ?

I hope Flightline has Indian crews like Jet Airways !

Off Topic!!!

Ducatibiker · Post by **Ducatibiker** » 12 Sep 2007, 10:07

Is it really off topic ? Defined me commercial reason please
For the word 'commercial' Webster gives as definition 'a-engaged in work designed for the market'

Captain Remi · Post by **Captain Remi** » 12 Sep 2007, 10:47

Commercial reasons = to supervise if the airline operating on behalf of Brussels Airlines complies with Brussels Airlines vision.
To make sure they offer in-flight service according to Brussels Airlines rules en to give the passengers the feeling that they are still flying Brussels Airlines, even if the aircraft is actually owned and operated by a third party.

Concerning the meals...this is the concept of Brussels Airlines and low fare airlines in general...
It has nothing to do with a flight attendant...

Pikey · Post by **Pikey** » 12 Sep 2007, 10:47

Commercial reasons = sell b.light meals and explain to b.flex passengers why they only get 15 gr. of cold pasta with 3 peas and no champagne ?

In which company do you get free champagne in Economy?

Cheers

Stij · Post by **Stij** » 12 Sep 2007, 10:56

Pikey wrote:
Commercial reasons = sell b.light meals and explain to b.flex passengers why they only get 15 gr. of cold pasta with 3 peas and no champagne ?
In which company do you get free champagne in Economy?

Cheers

Air France.

Cheers,

Stij

brusselsairlinesfan · Post by **brusselsairlinesfan** » 12 Sep 2007, 11:05

Stij wrote:
Pikey wrote:
Commercial reasons = sell b.light meals and explain to b.flex passengers why they only get 15 gr. of cold pasta with 3 peas and no champagne ?
In which company do you get free champagne in Economy?

Cheers
Air France.

Cheers,

Stij

Only on some of the long-haul destinations and not on a regular basis... believe me...

Airbus330lover · Post by **Airbus330lover** » 12 Sep 2007, 11:26

brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
Only on some of the long-haul destinations and not on a regular basis... believe me...

True

dre · Post by **dre** » 12 Sep 2007, 11:27

OFF TOPIC !!!!!!!

Airbus330lover · Post by **Airbus330lover** » 12 Sep 2007, 11:55

If they need this leasing for a long time, they can send the MD83 to the paintshop.
We should have nice pictures....

Novastar · Post by **Novastar** » 12 Sep 2007, 12:23

Stij wrote:
Pikey wrote:
Commercial reasons = sell b.light meals and explain to b.flex passengers why they only get 15 gr. of cold pasta with 3 peas and no champagne ?
In which company do you get free champagne in Economy?

Cheers
Air France.

Cheers,

Stij

Singapore Airlines ?

thofman2 · Post by **thofman2** » 12 Sep 2007, 13:02

Yes Singapour also (my own experience)

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 12 Sep 2007, 13:13

fftopic: Back on topic!!!!

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 12 Sep 2007, 13:28

tolipanebas wrote:Due to the ever growing pilot shortage and subsequent huge operational problems at Brussels Airlines, the airline has decided to expand on their original idea to lease a single BAe146 to cope with capacity shortfalls and that as of 17 September, an MD-83 of Flightline with a capacity of 170 pax will be wetleased indefinitely.

If it goes on like this, we are about to see quite a few unusual planes at BRU - excellent for spotters.
But is that a sound commercial solution for Brussels Airlines, in the long run ?

Ducatibiker · Post by **Ducatibiker** » 12 Sep 2007, 15:31

Captain Remi wrote:Commercial reasons = to supervise if the airline operating on behalf of Brussels Airlines complies with Brussels Airlines vision.
To make sure they offer in-flight service according to Brussels Airlines rules en to give the passengers the feeling that they are still flying Brussels Airlines, even if the aircraft is actually owned and operated by a third party.

Concerning the meals...this is the concept of Brussels Airlines and low fare airlines in general...
It has nothing to do with a flight attendant...

Thank you. Some of you might remember that one Sabena flight attendant was available on flights between Brussels and Atlanta -codeshare and operated by Delta. Also 'commercial reason' was the explanation but it did not last long...not much too do where you are not the same crew and your role becomes the one of a translator. As it is not code share, the role might be the one of a facilitator - therefore I use the words 'sell' and 'explain'.

FlightMate · Post by **FlightMate** » 12 Sep 2007, 15:38

This comforts my idea that Bru.air is becoming more and more a travel agency than an airline.

See the numbers of codeshares on Long Haul flights compared with the ones flown by b.air.

Plus all the rerouting on other airlines required in the last months due to A330 failures.

Now some wet leases...

What's next?

FLY4HOURS.BE · Post by **FLY4HOURS.BE** » 12 Sep 2007, 16:41

This is not very comforting...

Ducatibiker · Post by **Ducatibiker** » 12 Sep 2007, 17:19

Swiss used to operate M83 - Seat 21A and Seat 21F were not reclinable.

TexasGuy · Post by **TexasGuy** » 13 Sep 2007, 02:59

Nice to see the MD 83 still has life in her. I always liked that series of airplane

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