Jet Airways question

Lawrence · Post by **Lawrence** » 06 Aug 2007, 15:44

Hello.

Sorry for my bad Englisch.
Why Jet Airways stops in Brussels.
Or cant the B777 not fly de India-USA nonstop.
When i travel i want to fly direct from A to B.
I think it wil not stay forever in Brussels.
What ar your meenings.

Thanks

ERICAIRLINES · Post by **ERICAIRLINES** » 06 Aug 2007, 16:07

Let's be positive,please don't start with critics...it is true that direct non stop flights are possible and operated by AI...but we talk about a totaly different aim...a european hub ...it is easier for Indians to transit in BRU than in indian airports....

teach · Post by **teach** » 06 Aug 2007, 16:27

The reason is pretty simple: By building a hub in Brussels, Jet Airways can offer a large number of so-called 'one-stop' flights from India to North America and back. A direct flight from Mumbai to Newark would cater just to the market between those two cities. Once the Brussels hub is established, Jet Airways will offer one-stop flights not just from Mumbai to Newark, but also to New York JFK, Toronto, Chicago and Los Angeles. They will offer those same destinations one-stop from Delhi, Ahmedabad, Chennai and Bangalore.

On top of that, with those same flights they will also tap into the India-Europe market. Because they codeshare with Brussels Airlines, they will also offer daily one-stop services between these Indian cities and quite a few 'smaller' European cities that can't support direct non-stop flights.

Finally, let's not forget the local market in Brussels, which will also add to the total.

In summary: yes, a direct flight could be a better option, but not every 'city pair' has enough traffic to warrant a direct flight. So passengers travelling on that city pair will have to change planes somewhere. Jet figured that, if passengers need to change planes somewhere, they'd rather do so in a nice modern airport like Brussels than in places like Delhi and Mumbai which, and I'm being nice here, don't have really good reputations...

Badabing · Post by **Badabing** » 06 Aug 2007, 17:45

By connecting 5 cities in North America (Newark, New York JFK, Chicago, Los Angeles and Toronto) with 5 cities in India (Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai and ?Hyderabad) through a central hub at Brussels, you create not only 5 routes, but in total 35 city pair combinations. That makes it a LOT easier to fill aircraft than trying to fill 300+ seats every day with point-to-point passengers.

Furthermore, even where a direct flight between the US east coast and India is technically possible and operated by some carriers, the weight of the extra fuel has an impact on payload capacity.

A direct flight from all these destinations to all the other destinations is surely more comfortable, but no airline can afford such offer, and market demand is not big enough to allow it.

jan_olieslagers · Post by **jan_olieslagers** » 06 Aug 2007, 18:11

Lawrence wrote:Hello.

Sorry for my bad Englisch.
Why Jet Airways stops in Brussels.
Or cant the B777 not fly de India-USA nonstop.
When i travel i want to fly direct from A to B.
I think it wil not stay forever in Brussels.
What ar your meenings.

Thanks

As already pointed out, India-USA nonstop might be technically possible but only with a lot less payload ==> less profitable - and do not forget these airlines are NOT operating for the delight of showing us their nice planes, their prime reason is to make money.

Apart from that, I am not sure if many people really want to be on a plane for such a long time (18 hours or so?); this is an important argument for services like London-Australia where operators seem to hesitate to fly non-stop. But as I understand the B777ER was specifically designed for such very long distances, we'll have to see its success. There was at least one discussion of this subject on these pages.

Also: trade and industry in India are booming, so even if the BRU-USA offer is suspended some day, there will be quite some demand between Brussels and India. The carrier who is now investing in that route will be best placed to continue it, if they can make it through the first couple of months we're bound to see them for a long while yet.

PS you were quite correct about your control of English language, if you have any hopes of a future in aviation you have some work there! Good luck!

WisoBe · Post by **WisoBe** » 06 Aug 2007, 18:19

I won't repeat what everybody said ... just add the fact they are / will be able to make one-stop flight to Africa as well (brussels airlines). Imagine with one hub you can connect the USA, Africa and India .....

IMHO there are only positive points about the stop in Brussels.

JAF 23 · Post by **JAF 23** » 07 Aug 2007, 00:15

I can only agree with everybody here...

Was your question not a bit shortsighted?

We should all be very positive and enthousiast about the fact that Jet Airways has chosen Brussels as a hub, and not CDG for instance.

Greetzz

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 07 Aug 2007, 01:30

JAF 23 wrote:
Was your question not a bit shortsighted?

Greetzz

Not at all after all Boeing seems to think the same US carriers seem to think the same. B787 sales seem to attest of this as well!

Perfectly sensible question!

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 07 Aug 2007, 09:35

Jet would have loved to fly directly into the US if it would not have been for the freedom rights agreement.

It can only fly to the US with a scheduled stop.

It choose BRU over stiff commercial savings.

And it plans to make BRU its European HUB by mid 2008.

regi · Post by **regi** » 07 Aug 2007, 14:31

And for me it is just great to fly now directly to Mumbai instead off going first to LHR.

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 07 Aug 2007, 14:44

regi wrote:And for me it is just great to fly now directly to Mumbai instead off going first to LHR.

Does it mean that you will now try as much as possible to fly through Brussels? Is price an issue for you or at least for your company? How many times a year do you expect to travel to Mumbai every year?

You are officially the first self declared future Jet airways user on this forum I believe!

flyexel · Post by **flyexel** » 07 Aug 2007, 14:52

Hello!

I've another question..
If they make BRU their european hub by mid 2008,shouldn't they open a base in Brussels? They are planning a total of 10 daily long haul flights!!

They have bases in KUL,BKK,... why not here in BRU ?

What about the language fact...If they want to transport pax from Africa to India or North-America and vice versa without French speaking FA's...can imagine the troubles onboard!!!

What do you guys think about this ?

Greetzzz

regi · Post by **regi** » 07 Aug 2007, 15:09

Vinnie-Winnie wrote:
regi wrote:And for me it is just great to fly now directly to Mumbai instead off going first to LHR.
Does it mean that you will now try as much as possible to fly through Brussels? Is price an issue for you or at least for your company? How many times a year do you expect to travel to Mumbai every year?

You are officially the first self declared future Jet airways user on this forum I believe!

- As a Belgian, it is understandable to fly from Brussels.
  The price is somewhere the same.
  Travel time is half
  I think to do 2-3 flights a year to Mumbai.

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 07 Aug 2007, 17:26

regi wrote:
Vinnie-Winnie wrote:
regi wrote:And for me it is just great to fly now directly to Mumbai instead off going first to LHR.
Does it mean that you will now try as much as possible to fly through Brussels? Is price an issue for you or at least for your company? How many times a year do you expect to travel to Mumbai every year?

You are officially the first self declared future Jet airways user on this forum I believe!

As a Belgian, it is understandable to fly from Brussels.
The price is somewhere the same.
Travel time is half
I think to do 2-3 flights a year to Mumbai.

THought U were scottish for some reason...

carlcat · Post by **carlcat** » 07 Aug 2007, 18:58

Some answers to different questions :

Does Jet airways have an office with people in bru : yes they have as they have in London , KUL , BKK , SIN ....

Will the people on board speak french ? If you can travel over the world you can speak english . With french you will do nothing onto the market in Mumbai .

Does Jetairways have pax from BRU to EWR and BOM ?

Yes and even more than VG airlines after 2 months .

Little detail all flights are full or almost full with pax .

Technicaly Jet Airways is doing his job , the pax are comming and the president is a real boss to his staff . He is human and considers his staff as human beeings .

I feel it as becoming a succes .

WisoBe · Post by **WisoBe** » 07 Aug 2007, 19:28

Carlcat ... that's just a tremendous reply you just posted. Can't agree more with you !

For the language issue, they are planning to implement French/Dutch speaking FA in the future(lets say at least 1 FA), but it's not as easy as you may think. Imagine salary problems between employees from Belgium and India ?

rut-her · Post by **rut-her** » 07 Aug 2007, 20:53

Today, both flights leaving BRU (to EWR and BOM) were completely full. They also took a lot of cargo with them. I think they are doing well!

Greetz,
Rutger

Post by **Kapitein** » 07 Aug 2007, 21:30

Vinnie-Winnie wrote: You are officially the first self declared future Jet airways user on this forum I believe!

My tickets are booked for a trip to NYC in Septembre.

If you may believe them, they are much better then the US-carriers. We will try and see, if so I'm going to be a regular traveller with them.

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 07 Aug 2007, 22:25

I do not want to sound prejudiced, but 9W is a good carrier. They really offer service.

Also, they will employ french speaking people to handle their helm.

Bru will soon be made into a hub because a lot of Gujarati community who specialise in Diamond trade are based in Antwerp and the United States.

And believe me, these people are loaded and when they travel, they have weight with them. So, i guess 9W just hit the jackpot

WisoBe · Post by **WisoBe** » 07 Aug 2007, 22:29

On several forums I see posts of people talking about the loads of first Jet Airways flights. If my sources are correct the flights should be full booked for the 2 next weeks. Don't worry ... it's normal.

Brubiac ... I will probably also go to NY in September(if there are still seats available), when are you planning to go ?

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