Charleroi's new terminal

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 17 Jan 2007, 14:22

loutri666 wrote:
Jacob330 wrote:A lot of new destinations. How many extra aircraft are they going to base at CRL?
Hello !

According to "Radio Contact", Ryanair is going to base 15 aircraft at CRL when the new terminal will be operational ! No word about future destinations.

Greetings, Seb

Did they really said that? Maybe in 10 years time or so...

Jacob330 · Post by **Jacob330** » 17 Jan 2007, 15:56

15 is really a lot... Would be nice though

My guess is 2 more aircraft in the very near future, and like said before in this topic, several new routes from other new bases.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 17 Jan 2007, 16:46

Like "De Standaard" said:" the new terminal is build for ten aircrafts. How will they handle competition?".

And like L'Echo said: CRL is a Ryanair airport.

I hope they will left some space for other small carriers.

peacemaker · Post by **peacemaker** » 17 Jan 2007, 17:58

Atlantis wrote:Like "De Standaard" said:" the new terminal is build for ten aircrafts. How will they handle competition?".

And like L'Echo said: CRL is a Ryanair airport.

I hope they will left some space for other small carriers.

I hope it too, its never good to rely on one airline

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 17 Jan 2007, 19:34

Just heard to-night on RTL-TVI that Ryanair is actually to base 15 aircraft at CRL ! Fantastic ! Ryanair is already the main Walloon carrier, it will perhaps soon be the main Belgian carrier !
Ryanair, Belgian flag carrier - that would be great !

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 17 Jan 2007, 19:39

airazurxtror wrote: Ryanair, Belgian flag carrier - that would be great !

µ

That would be a nightmare

but good luck for the new CRL and Ryanair

loutri666 · Post by **loutri666** » 17 Jan 2007, 19:42

Buzz

You have your answer, I'm not a liar

On the radio, BSCA said there will be place for competitors. Indeed, they can't rely on only one airline !

Airazurxtror

I also watched the news on RTL-TVI, veryyyyyy good news

Greetings, Seb

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 18 Jan 2007, 00:27

Atlantis wrote:Like "De Standaard" said:" the new terminal is build for ten aircrafts. How will they handle competition?".

And like L'Echo said: CRL is a Ryanair airport.

I hope they will left some space for other small carriers.

Actually, the new terminal is designed to be easily expanded to the left and right if needed... Once Ryanair and others commit to more flights and pax than CRL can handle, they'll just expand the terminal.

Don't forget that there will be an empty terminal sitting across the field. If Ryanair does expand to 15 aircraft, CRL can give T2 to FR, and renovate T1 for other airlines...

What a change though, talking about T1 and T2 at CRL who would have thought it 3 years ago?

If only they would connect the airport to the railwaysystem... Then they would be totally set.

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 18 Jan 2007, 00:29

Does anyone know what the plans will be for the old terminal? Demolition, renovation, or just keeping it as a backup?

summersso · Post by **summersso** » 18 Jan 2007, 09:25

I don't believe anyone's lying, but fifteen Ryanair aircraft at Charleroi seems like far too many. It's a relatively large base, with four aircraft carrying approximately 1.5 million pax per year (guestimate!), so why would they rapidly quadruple the number of aircraft based at an airport designed to handle up to 3 million pax per year (and I imagine, probably reduce their load factors...). I think someone's jumped the gun, being speculative, or just hopeful!

Perhaps the story you heard talked about "in the future" Ryanair may base fifteen aircraft at CRL, or "CRL will have the capacity to be the home base of up to fifteen aircraft". Perhaps a link to this story will clarify.

I think as someone else mentioned, they'll add an two extra aircraft every six months/year (petit tapti!) and build it up if CRL is successful. I imagine Wizzair may expand (Katowice?!) and a couple more airlines will come to CRL... perhaps a low-cost Bulgarian carrier?

And if they do of course, base fifteen aircraft at CRL then we'll definitely need a rail link!!!

B737229 · Post by **B737229** » 18 Jan 2007, 13:15

airazurxtror wrote:Just heard to-night on RTL-TVI that Ryanair is actually to base 15 aircraft at CRL ! Fantastic ! Ryanair is already the main Walloon carrier, it will perhaps soon be the main Belgian carrier !
Ryanair, Belgian flag carrier - that would be great !

also confirmed here :

http://www.express.be/zint/dvp_articles ... lIdA=31986

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 18 Jan 2007, 15:13

When you think about it, it makes sense... STN & DUB are nearing capacity and in the UK competition is increasing every day.
FR will have to find a home for the 160+ aircraft comming before 2012...
I always figured airports like Hahn, Girona, and other bigger bases would grow, and CRL would just stay behind, because of it's history.
Thank god FR has turned the page, and is willing to expand at CRL.

Don't count on 11 new aircraft in 2008 though. I would guess an increase of 1-2 a/c a year is very likely...

Koenie666 · Post by **Koenie666** » 18 Jan 2007, 20:57

Okay i'm gonna say something stupid...

But basing 15 planes doesn't need to mean a lot of extra flights....

It just means 15 planes leaving a day.. and 15 planes comming back a day.. right?

Anyway on a more serious note

I flew Wizzair back in september.... How are they generally doing.. load wise...?

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 18 Jan 2007, 22:40

Koenie666 wrote:Okay i'm gonna say something stupid...

But basing 15 planes doesn't need to mean a lot of extra flights....

It just means 15 planes leaving a day.. and 15 planes comming back a day.. right?

If they would be flying to Bankok, or LAX, that would be true...

A tipical FR 737-800 does 3-4 round trips a day, depending on the length of the flights. Because most flights are between 1-2 hours, it means a lot of planes are at their base at the same time. 15 planes would be +/- 40-50 flights outbound, and 40-50 flights inbound per day.
That doesn't count the planes flying in from other bases to CRL.

(that would mean 6 million pax at least for CRL with these numbers that I guessed)

FR could decide to do W-shaped paterns, wich would cut the flights out of CRL (CRL-Treviso-Girona-Treviso-CRL for example). So, technicly, you could be right.

spotter1102 · Post by **spotter1102** » 05 Apr 2007, 14:57

summersso wrote:I don't believe anyone's lying, but fifteen Ryanair aircraft at Charleroi seems like far too many. It's a relatively large base, with four aircraft carrying approximately 1.5 million pax per year (guestimate!), so why would they rapidly quadruple the number of aircraft based at an airport designed to handle up to 3 million pax per year (and I imagine, probably reduce their load factors...). I think someone's jumped the gun, being speculative, or just hopeful!

Perhaps the story you heard talked about "in the future" Ryanair may base fifteen aircraft at CRL, or "CRL will have the capacity to be the home base of up to fifteen aircraft". Perhaps a link to this story will clarify.

I think as someone else mentioned, they'll add an two extra aircraft every six months/year (petit tapti!) and build it up if CRL is successful. I imagine Wizzair may expand (Katowice?!) and a couple more airlines will come to CRL... perhaps a low-cost Bulgarian carrier?

And if they do of course, base fifteen aircraft at CRL then we'll definitely need a rail link!!!

Yes, it's confirmed that Wizz Air will fly from Charleroi to Katowice on October 1, 2007

A390 · Post by **A390** » 05 Apr 2007, 16:59

Will the Wallon government have enough cash to subsidise so many Ryanair flights??

Post by **sn26567** » 05 Apr 2007, 17:10

A390 wrote:Will the Wallon government have enough cash to subsidise so many Ryanair flights??

Do you have any figures to share with us?

foxtrot_lima_yankee · Post by **foxtrot_lima_yankee** » 05 Apr 2007, 21:07

The railway track straight to the airport is already in project and in the NMBS/SNCB budget for 2008-2012 according to members.
15 aircraft means that many many jobs will be created!!
Great news for Belgium!!

Cesare · Post by **Cesare** » 05 Apr 2007, 23:47

When will be annunced Ryanair new routes from CRL?
Any news?

BrightCedars · Post by **BrightCedars** » 06 Apr 2007, 12:37

I agree that it could be 15 aircraft leaving a day and returning only at night as they could be doing things like CRL-XXA-XXB-XXC-XXB-XXA-CRL but I do not think it is the intend of FR. They will most probably be doing CRL-XXA-CRL-XXB-CRL-XXC.

I really hope the train comes soon! It would be a nice addition.

Also, will there be airbridges or that's a wet dream?

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