Turkish pilot lands in polish military airbase

[JoAILES]

This evening a Turkish civilian airplane with 12 person aboard going to Poznan "Lawica"-airport has landed instead on a military airstrip in Krzesiny located some kilometers away.
Meanwhile there is some 200 people waiting for the plane in the "Lawica"-airport to take them to Turkey for a holiday. Reasons for turkish pilot's mistake are not clear.

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomo...00,3553960.html

[SN30952]

Reasons for turkish pilot's mistake are not clear.

No?
Or don't you dare to say it?

[TBSC]

Quite a lucky guy with this "small" mistake, compared to this:

Spanair/Nordic
A Nordic MD80 operating on behalf of Spanair mistakenly flew from Madrid to Seville instead of flying to Santiago de Compostella on Monday (Aug 7). The Swedish crew likely confused the airport codes which are SCQ and SVQ.
http://www.justplanes.com/

The distance between these two airports is approx. 800 kms...

[David747]

That had to be one hell of an approach to the wrong airport :laugh:

[SN30952]

The Pentagon also plans to take over vast military training grounds and firing ranges once used by the Soviet armed forces in Hungary and Poland, including the Krzesiny air base outside Poznan in western Poland.

At Poznan in western Poland, millions of dollars are being spent on repairing runways, improving infrastructure and building roads at the Krzesiny air base, in the expectation that Uncle Sam is moving in there, too.

"All of those places now represent opportunities for us to create relationships that some day will allow us the access we need," Gen Martin told the Stars and Stripes US military newspaper.

Poznań Ławica Airport is one of the oldest local airports in Poland. It has been in regular operation since 1913 first as German military facility.
On the 6th of January 1919 during the uprising against the foreign rulers the militants took over the airport with around 250 military planes in service.
Today the Poznań-Ławica airport is a dynamically expanding business, welcoming the Americans with open arms.

EPKS Krzesiny Poland
EPPO POZ Poznan-Lawica Poland

(EPKS... nog een geluk dat hij niet naar ErPsKwerpS is gevlogen.... )

[David747]

what?

[TBSC]

The Pentagon also plans to take over vast military training grounds and firing ranges once used by the Soviet armed forces in Hungary and Poland, ...

Actually they've already spent a lot of money for Taszar Air Base in Hungary, but now it's closed due lack of interest of U.S / HuAF / civil aviation...

[SN30952]

The Pentagon also plans to take over vast military training grounds and firing ranges once used by the Soviet armed forces in Hungary and Poland, ...

Actually they've already spent a lot of money for Taszar Air Base in Hungary, but now it's closed due lack of interest of U.S / HuAF / civil aviation...

Indeed:
America’s interest in Taszar began in the mid-1990s, when the U.S. began planning for a potential deployment to Bosnia in late 1995.
The US flag was lowered on NATO’s first military base in former Warsaw Pact territory as the American presence there came to an end in a ceremony June 30, 2004.

Under strong pressure from US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Hungary's Socialist government agreed in DEC 2002 to America's use of the Taszar base.... (End of 2002, early 2003...)

And wasn't it there that Iraqi opposition volunteers were trained?

An old European air base had become a temporary home for 5000 dissidents whom the US hoped will help topple Saddam...
some 5000 Iraqi opposition activists had arrived at Hungary's sprawling Taszar air base for intensive arms training and combat practice . A separate batch of Iraqi dissidents and volunteers from other Arab states were also to be instructed in the use of handguns, even though they were to be trained as guides, scouts, interpreters and auxiliaries of the US-led invasion force.

[David747]

Probably was the place where Iraqi opposition Hacks were trained. Some of these airbases in that part of the world change with the interests of the American government, let us not forget.

[744rules]

a few years ago, a FRA bound NW DC10 landed in BRU. The only similarity is that both airports have a rwy 25R.

All pax could follow what was happening and some even were thinking the airplane was being hijacked.

No cockpit crew member or ATC saw the error until the a/c landed

[SilverJET]

I don't understand ATC didn't notice this error. Or even the control tower at Poznan "Lawica"-airport. Why didn't they inform pilot before the approach began.

[SilverJET]

Quite a lucky guy with this "small" mistake, compared to this:

Spanair/Nordic
A Nordic MD80 operating on behalf of Spanair mistakenly flew from Madrid to Seville instead of flying to Santiago de Compostella on Monday (Aug 7). The Swedish crew likely confused the airport codes which are SCQ and SVQ.
http://www.justplanes.com/

The distance between these two airports is approx. 800 kms...

If those pilots file a flightplan to SCQ and they are flying the other way. ATC must have seen this and must have interacted, don't you think? I can't understand this either. ATC cleares you for a certain route, and they know what route you have to fly. I think not only the pilots are to blame even the ATC made some errors, for not noticing this fault.

[SilverJET]

a few years ago, a FRA bound NW DC10 landed in BRU. The only similarity is that both airports have a rwy 25R.

All pax could follow what was happening and some even were thinking the airplane was being hijacked.

No cockpit crew member or ATC saw the error until the a/c landed

Same here, the ATC approved an aircraft bound for FRA to descent and approach BRU without declaring emergency (I think). The ATC must have known the aircraft was bound for FRA. Even BRU Arrival must have noticed it before the plane touched the ground.

[JoAILES]

I don't think "BRU Arrival" care about those things.
They just allow for safe landing FIFO style (first in queue, first out)

What about the tower radion frequencies between FRA and BRU?

[SilverJET]

Some pilots call "Arrival, this is Northwest one two three" Yeah, but can the ATC know where that flight is normally bound ?

"Frankfurt arrival, this is ... " would have been better 8)

ATC (Eurocontrol, Belgocontrol) know where each flight is bound to. There must be an flightplan filed for each flight. Eurocontrol controls the airspace above 24.500ft, Belgocontrol till 24.500ft.
The NW pilots must have asked to descent from cruise level till approach level to both of them. ATC must have known something was not common for a flight bound to FRA.

fftopic:

[JoAILES]

do they sleep much @ EuroControl?

[Aldgate]

Some information about the NWA flight that landed at EBBR instead of EDDF.
Normally those Transatlantic inbounds to EDDF stay above FL245. This one came into Belgocontrol (then still RLW/RVA by the way) controlled airspace. The belgian controllers got a 'no-details' estimate for KOK from the english. The estimate contained EBBR as destination. That is why the assistant controller created a flightplan inbound EBBR. The original flightplan was not in the system because the flight was not expected below FL245. By the time the strip was on the planning controller's board, nothing showed that this flight was meant to go to EDDF and not EBBR. So the belgian controllers just handled the flight as a regular EBBR inbound. From that moment on, the only party that could pick up on the mistake were the flightcrew...

[SN30952]

So the belgian controllers just handled the flight as a regular EBBR inbound. From that moment on, the only party that could pick up on the mistake were the flightcrew...

So the flightcrew did not realise they were talking to the Belgians?