The one and only topic on which runway in use @EBBR

Rroelen · Post by **Rroelen** » 30 Jul 2006, 19:56

Robin_Bamps wrote:Hi Rroelen,

Currently it's rwy 25R for arrivals and rwy 20 for departures.

Expect change to rwy 25L in the (late) afternoon.

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Thanks,

You were completely right !

Robin_Bamps · Post by **Robin_Bamps** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:30

Rroelen wrote:
Robin_Bamps wrote:Hi Rroelen,

Currently it's rwy 25R for arrivals and rwy 20 for departures.

Expect change to rwy 25L in the (late) afternoon.

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Thanks,

You were completely right !

You're welcome. I'm glad I was

fftopic: I hope you had some shelter during the rain showers

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Post by **luchtzak** » 31 Jul 2006, 11:05

Construction works on 25L - 07R in August:

ebbr-construction-works-rwy-07r-25l-sum ... 17113.html

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 31 Jul 2006, 11:08

luchtzak wrote:Construction works on 25L - 07R in August:

ebbr-construction-works-rwy-07r-25l-sum ... 17113.html

I can confirm as I saw the last planes landing on 25L early this morning. For the record the very last one was an LH CRJ

Chris

stefanel · Post by **stefanel** » 31 Jul 2006, 12:00

SAB-OM wrote:The direction in which ACFT take off and land is determined by the surface wind (speed and direction) and the Preferential Runway System as published in the AIP.

main reason for usage of runway 07R for landing could be the wind component:

as you mentioned in another post the wind was apparently 070 degrees 8 knots which is perfect headwind for landing (technically)
furthermore, the tailwind component for 25's was more than 7 knots - so 25's could not be used

other possible (extra) reason was that the GS (glideslope) of rwy 02 was U/S
this means that no precision approaches (ILS) could be performed on 02
and possibly even closed for maintenance on the GS system

pure technically speaking 07 would be the best choice

for 07R a non-precision approach is published (VOR-DME)
the interception altitude is the same as when 25L/R are in use: 2000ft

07R can only be used when traffic situation permits - due to the non-precision approach the distance between landings is longer than with an ILS approach
and 07R does not have high speed exit taxiways, so vacating the runway could take a bit longer

Well, I am sad my post concering this issue got locked although it was not a matter of a which rwy is in use question. It was an interesting point I was raising, that concerns spotters a lot, and the reason for locking this post seems obscure to me.

Maybe you can take a look at my post and you will see that rwy 07R was used for landings even with winds down to 2 knots!!!

Your point about the glideslope is interesting, but the ATIS wasn't specifying it, is that normal ? Does U/S mean out of service ?

Well, anyways, here's the official answer I received from the airport mediation. It is in French, I can translate if required. It's not precise but at least you get the very few dates when planes landed on rwy 07R and it only happened 3 times (1974, 1991 and 2003) before this summer... So we experienced something really exceptional.

Monsieur,

J'ai bien reçu votre message du 15 juillet 2006 qui m'a été transmis par Monsieur l'Officier de l'Etat Civil-Echevin de Schaerbeek, Bernard GUILLAUME, lequel m'a chargé de vous répondre conformément à l'Arrêté Royal du 15 mars 2002 portant création du Service de Médiation pour l'Aéroport.

Je vous remercie de m'avoir fait part de vos remarques suite à l'utilisation imprévue de la piste 07 droite pour les atterrissages. Cette piste n'est que très rarement mise en service, il s'agit de la piste d'atterrissage 25 Gauche ( 3.211 mètres ) mais utilisée dans l'autre sens.
Les avions se présentent en alignement à partir de Dilbeek à une altitude de +/- 3.000 pieds, puis évoluent en lente descente vers Anderlecht ( Prince de Liège, Scheut ), Molenbeek ( Gare de l'Ouest, Porte de Ninove ) puis Bruxelles-Ville, Schaerbeek, Evere, Haren et Zaventem-village ( Parklaan, Watertorenlaan ) pour se poser sur la piste 07 droite.

Cette procédure exceptionnelle a été utilisée les 8 mai, 10 juin, 2 juillet, 15 juillet, 16 juillet et 19 juillet 2006.

Au-paravant, cette utilisation eut lieu en août 1974 ( travaux à la piste
02 ), à Pâques 1991 ( travaux à la piste 02 ), en janvier 2003 ( fermetures de piste suite à l'accident d'un avion de la Gendarmerie ).

La piste 07 droite est susceptible d'être mise en service lorsqu'aucune autre configuration de pistes n'est opérationnelle.

L'explication de la récente mise en service de la piste 07 droite, peut, vraisemblablement, s'expliquer pour les motifs suivants :
- vents importants en provenance du secteur Est/Sud-Est, plus régulièrement qu'avant
- redéfinition des valeurs limites de vent pour l'utilisation de toutes les pistes
- principe du "most suitable runway" qui indique que lorsque la piste préférentiellement désignée dans le cadre du plan de dispersion ne peut pas être mise en service pour cause de dépassement des normes de vent, c'est la piste la mieux efficiente, celle qui est la mieux orientée dans le sens des vents dominants, qui doit être activée

Aux moments où la piste 07 droite a été mise en service ces derniers temps, ni la piste 25 droite ni les pistes 02 ou 20 n'étaient utilisables, car l'orientation et l'intensité du vent à ces moments, ne permettaient QUE l'utilisation de la piste 07 droite pour les atterrissages; les valeurs de composantes de vent arrière ou latéral étant dépassées à la fois pour la piste 25 mais aussi pour les pistes 02 et 20.

Je n'ai pas connaissance d'une instruction écrite ou orale qui imposerait l'utilisation obligatoire de la piste 07 droite à l'atterrissage.

Je vous confirme bien que cette utilisation est exceptionnelle et ne s'explique que par les conditions météorologiques particulières de ces dernières semaines.

anjin · Post by **anjin** » 11 Aug 2006, 16:20

Got caught up in the one runway saga when on BD236 BRU-EMA the other day. Have to say for an International Airport didnt seem well handled by ATC. 8th in queue took about 15 mins hold @ gate the 30 on taxiways.
Numerous occasions of gaps in departing traffic because of aircraft on finals, at LHR or LGW 2 aircraft would have got away.
That said nice lunch at "Jumbo" before

MSS658 · Post by **MSS658** » 16 Aug 2006, 19:57

i going to spot tomorrow, Wich runways wil be used with south southwesterly winds.?

Skyfighter · Post by **Skyfighter** » 20 Aug 2006, 13:12

hi all,

anyone know what runway is open in the early morning tomorrow (21/08/06)?

greetz

Bracebrace · Post by **Bracebrace** » 09 Sep 2006, 15:02

To know the runways for departure and arrival, you can listen to the ATIS via telephone. Simply call 02/2062525 and select the airport of which you want to listen to the ATIS. 24/24, 7/7, fully automatic, very handy.

JAF-195 · Post by **JAF-195** » 02 Feb 2007, 16:46

Does somebody knows which rwy is used this week-end? (03/02/07 and 04/02/07)?

FANFLYER · Post by **FANFLYER** » 02 Feb 2007, 17:05

Goodafternoon,
Forecast wind-directions are NW - W
So I presume :
Saturday : Landings 25L and 25R
Take Off : 25R
Sunday : Landings 25R
Take Off 20
Greetz, Karl

JAF-195 · Post by **JAF-195** » 03 Feb 2007, 10:46

Thak tou for this precious information Fanflyer!
Regards,
Alex

stevie · Post by **stevie** » 18 Feb 2007, 11:46

hi

does anyone know wich runway will in use wednesday and thuesday?

thanks

stevie · Post by **stevie** » 20 Feb 2007, 10:38

can anyone answere my qeustion please??

thanks

Post by **speedbird1** » 20 Feb 2007, 11:01

Just call 02 2062572 you can get ATIS for the major Belgian airports here.

Emirates

stevie · Post by **stevie** » 20 Feb 2007, 11:20

thanks

I will try it

Harry-Spotter · Post by **Harry-Spotter** » 20 Feb 2007, 12:31

Hi Stevie, I'm going spotting too today, have you found out which runway will be used for landings?
Have fun spotting on this great sunny afternoon
Laurent

Post by **speedbird1** » 20 Feb 2007, 13:40

Harry-Spotter wrote:Hi Stevie, I'm going spotting too today, have you found out which runway will be used for landings?
Have fun spotting on this great sunny afternoon
Laurent

Have you read my post above? Option 1 for Brussels

Emirates

chrisflyer · Post by **chrisflyer** » 25 Mar 2007, 19:55

Hello all,

Looking out of my window in Central Brussels today (25th Feb 2007), I noticed numerous aircraft on finals for what seems to be 07L or 07R. Simple question: why? I thought that this was avoided at any cost.

Any info appreciated.

Happy landings,

Chrisflyer

rut-her · Post by **rut-her** » 25 Mar 2007, 20:22

chrisflyer wrote: Looking out of my window in Central Brussels today (25th Feb 2007), I noticed numerous aircraft on finals for what seems to be 07L or 07R. Simple question: why? I thought that this was avoided at any cost.

Landings were on 07R, departures on 07L. By now landings are on the 02 again. The ATIS said today that the ILS of 25L was out of service. But this has nothing to do with the 07R landings, I guess.

The wind was 11knots - 100°, but that doesn't seem too extreme to use the 07. The only reason I see is to give a quiet sunday to the inhabitants of Kraainem and Wezembeek-oppem after a whole week of 02 landings.

Greetz,
Rutger

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