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Brussels Airlines: a Flemish company?

Post by lumumba » 15 Feb 2016, 00:22

http://m.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20160214_02128218
In the article the a Walloon minister said that Brussels Airlines is a Flemish company today.
I have to admit that I also feel it.
90% of the cabine crew and ground staff looks Flemish to me but I'm only a passenger so I have no inside figures.
And I realy hope it's not true.
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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by crew1990 » 15 Feb 2016, 00:45

I don't really agree, at least not totally (and i'm walloon) there are different departments, like in any company, some more french speaking (like the marketing, or the car drivers) and some department more flemish speaking, unfortunately the department with a direct link with the client are more flemish speaking (cabin crew, ticketing, passenger service agent) so for the passenger it can look like a very flemish company, but if you see the back office you realize that it's not.

But of course the cabin crew and passenger service agent are the two biggest department.

Also we don't have to forget where brussels airlines come from, DAT, a flemish Antwerp based airlines, so it's kind of logical. But the merge with Virgin Express which was more french speaking brought a lot of FR colleagues, it helped to balance a little bit.

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Avroflyer » 15 Feb 2016, 04:44

My gosh does it really matter? It's just again a politician wanting to cause a stir .

As far as I'm concerned the Belgian flag still prides on the planes and everyone speaks 3 or more languages which of course include French AND Dutch ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Poiu » 15 Feb 2016, 06:13

Avroflyer wrote:My gosh does it really matter? It's just again a politician wanting to cause a stir .

As far as I'm concerned the Belgian flag still prides on the planes and everyone speaks 3 or more languages which of course include French AND Dutch ;)
Exactly!
The only reason why the majority of cabin crew is Flemish is because of the requirement to speak three languages. Language skills are generally better in the north than in the south. Politicians are a good example of this.

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Acid-drop » 15 Feb 2016, 07:17

He's right to sell. There are other success on the other side to invest in.
With a brighter outlook too.
My messages reflect my personal opinion which may be different than yours. I beleive a forum is made to create a debate so I encourage people to express themselves, the way they want, with the ideas they want. I expect the same understanding in return.

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by OO-ITR » 15 Feb 2016, 07:33

lumumba wrote: 90% of the cabine crew and ground staff looks Flemish to me but I'm only a passenger so I have no inside figures.
And I realy hope it's not true.
What do you mean they 'LOOK' Flemish? Didn't know you can see someone is Flemish by looking at him/her...

And no it's not a Flemish company, it is a Brussels company, hence the name... ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Acid-drop » 15 Feb 2016, 07:51

Obviously the faces are not the same :)
I bet you can recognize a holander easy, same here.
But it get harder with limburg and liege people having the same history obviously, but limburg is limburg right, its not flanders :))

I'm in BRU this morning : 100% flemish so far. Airport staff, not SN (I avoid flying SN)
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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by lumumba » 15 Feb 2016, 07:58

OO-ITR wrote:
lumumba wrote: 90% of the cabine crew and ground staff looks Flemish to me but I'm only a passenger so I have no inside figures.
And I realy hope it's not true.
What do you mean they 'LOOK' Flemish? Didn't know you can see someone is Flemish by looking at him/her...

And no it's not a Flemish company, it is a Brussels company, hence the name... ;)
Look is not the good word but when you speak you recognize easily the difference.
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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by lumumba » 15 Feb 2016, 07:59

Avroflyer wrote:My gosh does it really matter? It's just again a politician wanting to cause a stir .

As far as I'm concerned the Belgian flag still prides on the planes and everyone speaks 3 or more languages which of course include French AND Dutch ;)
I'm not agree with this statement !!!
At all ...I think it's very important that the employees come from all the regions from the country.
And in the numbers they represent in the country at least approximately .
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Avnu » 15 Feb 2016, 08:16

Maybe Marcourt can start up Air Meuse again :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by YYZ727 » 15 Feb 2016, 08:48

lumumba wrote:
Avroflyer wrote:My gosh does it really matter? It's just again a politician wanting to cause a stir .

As far as I'm concerned the Belgian flag still prides on the planes and everyone speaks 3 or more languages which of course include French AND Dutch ;)
I'm not agree with this statement !!!
At all ...I think it's very important that the employees come from all the regions from the country.
And in the numbers they represent in the country at least approximately .
I for one, i don't mind if they're Flemish, Bruxellois, or Walloon. As long as they're competent....

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by lumumba » 15 Feb 2016, 08:58

YYZ727 wrote:
lumumba wrote:
Avroflyer wrote:My gosh does it really matter? It's just again a politician wanting to cause a stir .

As far as I'm concerned the Belgian flag still prides on the planes and everyone speaks 3 or more languages which of course include French AND Dutch ;)
I'm not agree with this statement !!!
At all ...I think it's very important that the employees come from all the regions from the country.
And in the numbers they represent in the country at least approximately .
I for one, i don't mind if they're Flemish, Bruxellois, or Walloon. As long as they're competent....
So you are seeing that there is no competent people in Brussels or in Walonie...
That's not an argument we now the Belgium problematic it's complicated so it's very important to have people from around the country...
It's also not normal that in the train station of Brussels Airport the announcement on the screens is not bilingual it's only in Dutch.
Same problem with some road direction panels that are only in Dutch ..
Etc....
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by sean1982 » 15 Feb 2016, 09:26

Last time I checked BRU is in the flemish region. As you expect everyone to be bi-lingual. Start with being bi-lingual yourself then? Merci :) dank u wel :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Stij » 15 Feb 2016, 09:28

lumumba wrote: So you are seeing that there is no competent people in Brussels or in Walonie...
I don't conclude that from YYZ727's comment. I conclude he's indifferent where they come from.

I can agree staff should come from all parts of Belgium, on the condition the necessary technical and / or aeronautical and language (EN-FR-NL-...) skills are mastered.

For the moment these language skills are better in Flanders than in Wallonia. However, it's shifting a bit: it's improving in Wallonia and deteriorating in Flanders.

On the signs: same can be said for LGG and CRL...
On the announcements: I believe in the Bruxelles-National-Aéroport Railway Station, EMMA speaks four languages, at least for the trains to Brussels

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by b-west » 15 Feb 2016, 09:34

The announcements and the screens at the nmbs station are quadrilingual, Dutch, French, German and English.

Even though I feel there's a dramatic drop in the knowledge of other languages in Flanders, especially when it comes to French, and equally I'm encountering more and more French speaking Belgians who are fluent in English, it's still far easier to find trilingual staff in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium than it is in the French speaking part. So the "face" of the company, the cabin crew and checkin agents will more often than not be flemish. That doesn't make SN a flemish company, as it says nothing about the staff that works behind the screens. Also, a flemish company is still a Belgian company, regardless what Mr Dewever and his fans might think of it.

And the airline itself is clearly taking on more and more a Belgian identity, with their logo jets, the Belgian products on board, the red devil's sponsorship, etc.

As a Dutch speaking Belgian (who gets annoyed when faced with flemish racism/ignorance and gets equally annoyed when French speaking staff at the airport refuses to speak Dutch) it makes me proud to see a Belgian airline, especially if I'm somewhere in Africa and that B shows up on the tarmac, it feels like home already.

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Stij » 15 Feb 2016, 09:36

And on the signs again: all the signs aren't even in Dutch! it reads

"Airplane" Zaventem

or

"Airplane" Cargo

What's the problem?

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by White Light » 15 Feb 2016, 09:40

[quote="crew1990"]there are different departments, like in any company, some more french speaking (like the marketing, or the car drivers) and some department more flemish speaking, unfortunately the department with a direct link with the client are more flemish speaking (cabin crew, ticketing, passenger service agent) so for the passenger it can look like a very flemish company, but if you see the back office you realize that it's not.[/quote]

[quote="Poiu"]The only reason why the majority of cabin crew is Flemish is because of the requirement to speak three languages. Language skills are generally better in the north than in the south.[/quote]

[quote="Stij"]For the moment these language skills are better in Flanders than in Wallonia. However, it's shifting a bit: it's improving in Wallonia and deteriorating in Flanders.[/quote]

With this, everything is said and explained very clearly.

Please, don't turn this aviation forum into political one. Thanks.

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by Bel33 » 15 Feb 2016, 09:43

It's just the point of view of Marcourt! It's not the best reference...

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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by lumumba » 15 Feb 2016, 09:44

Stij wrote:
lumumba wrote: So you are seeing that there is no competent people in Brussels or in Walonie...
I don't conclude that from YYZ727's comment. I conclude he's indifferent where they come from.

I can agree staff should come from all parts of Belgium, on the condition the necessary technical and / or aeronautical and language (EN-FR-NL-...) skills are mastered.

For the moment these language skills are better in Flanders than in Wallonia. However, it's shifting a bit: it's improving in Wallonia and deteriorating in Flanders.

On the signs: same can be said for LGG and CRL...
On the announcements: I believe in the Bruxelles-National-Aéroport Railway Station, EMMA speaks four languages, at least for the trains to Brussels

Cheers,

Stij
Hi Stij
It's not the same for LGG or CRL these are régional airports like Oostende en Antwerpen.
Si no need to be bilingual .
Ok about EMMA but on the screens than announces the trains it's only in Dutch in Brussels it's bilingual .
And some road panels are only in Dutch I don't make a big problem about all this I'm just try to make it better.
It's our national airport for everybody and the same about Brussels Airlines.
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Re: Brussels Airlines a Flemish company?

Post by lumumba » 15 Feb 2016, 09:47

sean1982 wrote:Last time I checked BRU is in the flemish region. As you expect everyone to be bi-lingual. Start with being bi-lingual yourself then? Merci :) dank u wel :)
I realy don't like the way you are ?!?!?
First Brussels Airport is a NATIONAL AIrport everything must be in 2 languages at least that's the law.
And I speak 4 languages and Dutch is my mother tongue ....
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