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veldmuis
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flying a "Belgian pattern" ?

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Dear Pilots among you,

Recently, I watched PilotsEyeTV's DVD about LH's chief pilot flying the A380:
http://pilotseye.tv/route/a380-san-fran ... rgen-raps/

On his retirement party, he was praised by other pilots for his aviation skills - for which "performing a Belgian pattern" was given as an example (so that must be something challenging?).

Being Belgian myself, I wonder what this would be? Anyone knows?
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Belgian pilots are often seen (and also see themselves, unfortunatly) as being the better pilots in the world. In training high emphasis is being put on manual flight, raw data flying and visual approaches. In other countries this is often frowned upon as it increases risk by adding to the mental load in in the flightdeck, but in general it seems to be good practice. In FR cadets are fighting for a training place in CRL ;)

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Hi,

Just for your information, Ryanair does not use Charleroi for base training and it doesn't matter whether you get a Belgian instructor or a Irish one, they both have to apply the same SOP's from Ryanair. On another side note you do not get to choose your base training location, they will tell you were it is.
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Just for your info, I'm talking about line training and FR SOP allows any degree of automation to be used depending on the circumstances of the flight. This means from a full autoland to full manual visual circuit

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Yes, if that's part of every base training what does that have to do with a Belgian Pattern? This is default. From the phrase you wrote I can only make up that you are praising the fact on something that doesn't even exist because base training is never done in Charleroi?

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Who said I was talking about base training? I was talking about line training? And who says it's not allowed to fly a visual circuit during a normal day on the line if conditions permit?

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Who said that I said that it wasn't allowed?
Are fighting for a training place in CRL
Alright, if you are talking about line training what's the difference between having it in Weeze or CRL if you have an Irish instructor? He isn't going to switch all the FD's off and let you do it visually only because you are doing your line training from CRL and not from Weeze?

I am sorry if I am offending you but your first post didn't make any sense.

You are an extreme good pilot in my eyes when you can land an CAT C airplane in Paro,
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we can thank the old sabena flight academy for this ;)

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Malaysia wrote:Who said that I said that it wasn't allowed?
Are fighting for a training place in CRL
Alright, if you are talking about line training what's the difference between having it in Weeze or CRL if you have an Irish instructor? He isn't going to switch all the FD's off and let you do it visually only because you are doing your line training from CRL and not from Weeze?

I am sorry if I am offending you but your first post didn't make any sense.

You are an extreme good pilot in my eyes when you can land an CAT C airplane in Paro,
Most line trainers in CRL are Belgian and ex-Sabena, SN or JAF .... and they do switch off all automation and FD's at 10.000 ft and let the trainee fly manually (if conditions permit)

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Post by teach »

So, anyone who knows what a Belgian pattern is, or are we going to yack about FR again?

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Re: flying a "Belgian pattern" ?

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It's a tight visual pattern completely manually flown raw data ... that's my guess ... I don't think there is a "real" definition for it ... That's how they fly it at JAF anyway ;)

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