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@Phoenixx I don’t agree with your view of the minimum service at all. There is no minimum service in Belgium. Listening to emergency frequencies and provide help to aircrafts in emergencies is not a minimum service. It is a legal obligation and the least you can do as professionals. One Atco (usuall...

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That’s theory... Everyone has already understood the details. They are and they won’t be happy till they get what they want. Like for all the previous strikes.
Say no to a spoiled kid and he is gonna keep on asking till he gets what he wants...

They will have to renegotiate and give the spoiled workers what they want like always because there is NO CHOICE. That’s why they feel so strong and dare to put a country upside down! There is no possibility to replace them unless you stop the traffic for two years! (Time needed to train new motivat...

They say they don’t care or ask for money. Maybe they can all give a few thousands euros from their small salaries to give a compensation to the stranded passengers

It is time to end this circus. We can expect their comments like “You don’t know what you are talking about” and “you don’t understand our job”. It’s all about safety and they are professionals. Those poor workers feel bashed. We feel so sad for them. They work 3 hours per day (sometimes less) for 6...

And great from the unions and the controllers: they all want/need to attend a meeting at the same time
They forgot they work in shifts and that someone has to be there 24/24. Are you serious? This is ridiculous!
Tell us that all those who were at home would have come as well No way!

Hi Phoenixx, It's not about defending the system at Skeyes. In every company there has to be a "system" to make it work. By the way, that "system" was put in place in 1998: most probably before you joined the company so it's nothing new! It is very similar to how other companies ...

@Kriva About those 15 planes at the same time on the frequency at Brussels Approach: if that happens and the final (second arrival sector) isn’t open to split the traffic on two frequencies, then it’s a professional mistake. So no, I do not believe it happens, sorry. Far from it! You are right to sa...

Hi Phoenixx, No worries. And there is no misunderstanding. 2/3 of the (12) votes are necessary for a new rule to be implemented. Half of the votes coming from the management (6 votes) and half from the unions (6 votes being 3 for ACV, 2 for ACOD and one for VSOA). There was a majority (2/3 (or 8 vot...

Dear Kriva, Anyone who follows this thread will make his opinion about if I know your job or not 🙄 By the way, no controller has ever had 20 planes at the same time on the frequency. Never! And certainly not in Belgium! Even 15 would not happen! (Talking about aircraft flying (not at their parking s...

That’s where things have to change: if you want to have something to say even though you only represent a quarter of the employees, then feel free to create your own company, independent from the State with all it means. “Something to say” means in Skeyes, according to the way it is functioning, hav...

Hi Phoenixx, Sorry to say but some of your statements aren't correct. The way Skeyes is functioning (or malfunctioning, depending on the point of view but irrelevant anyway) is the way it has been working since its creation (and well defined by rules/laws). It was well explained in your previous pos...

@Phoenixx I can understand your frustrations but this is the way Skeyes is functioning. Those rules have been set up (in laws) and the role of the unions is paramount. Management is indeed using those rules to have their proposals accepted but this is just what the game is about! Everyone uses the r...

@Phoenixx Two things come up after reading your explanation (thanks for it, by the way): 1) the CEO is from CD&V so not really the same side as ACOD... How do you explain this? 2) the rules of the company are such that with 8 votes out of 12 decisions can be made. Skeyes is a company with Atcos ...

Reality is somewhere in between what has just been posted. - Management is doing and has been doing a shitty job: no doubt! It's the main issue, we all agree. But there is now a situation to deal with and until now, no acceptable solution has been put on the table. - Atcos in Belgium have the best w...

@ Phoenixx "Staff is screwed up by the management" "Employees do not want to cooperate anymore" "No respect" "No end" We have discussed all this and there will have to be an end. That means find an agreement. You give interesting examples in which there is no ...

When was the airspace closed due to staff shortage in Barcelona, Marseille and Karlsruhe? If we start to believe what people from Ryanair say... maybe not closed, but restricted in numbers quite often. Out off experience I can tell you that even at the calm moments of the day (at BRU) my patience h...

When was the airspace closed due to staff shortage in Barcelona, Marseille and Karlsruhe?
If we start to believe what people from Ryanair say...

Hi Phoenixx, About Liege corridor, whoever has to decide is it’s open, he is not gonna say “no” if it helps Liege staying open. I meant that that procedure could still be activated to lower restrictions on CANAC east for traffic to Brussels for example. If CANAC doesn’t have to take care of inbounds...

Very interesting, Phoenixx, thank you for the answer (which isn’t surprising). The “capacity vs staff” is the main issue, if we look at whole picture because with a staff shortage like you have now, if the capacity is defined reasonably according to how many Atcos are present per shift, this is work...