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With all the commotion about the colors of the flag, I wonder how much the Smurfs aircraft is going to be appreciated on this board... (probably not much since SN is now part of Eurowings, but that’s a different story)

Seems like the registrations for the new A333s are out.... OO-SFB-SFH https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/brussels Cheers! It seems to be an outdated version of the refleet, SN won't take 978 and 983 any longer. I don't know exactly which aircraft Brussels Airlines will take instead, but I b...

convair wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 18:37 I didn't catch that €15mlo loss for Q4. Where is it mentioned?

The Q3 YTD figure is +30mio, full year result is +15mio, hence the loss for Q4.

Boeing767copilot wrote: ↑17 Mar 2018, 15:39 If they lost €15mio in Q4 this means that the deal with TC is not succesfull at all.

How is a loss in Q4 directly related to the Thomas Cook deal? SN lost 30 mio in Q1. I think it is more an issue of winter vs summer season/demand.

I like their livery. Very recognisable.

Quite a disappointing result imo. It also means they lost €15mio in Q4. I think Carsten Spohr is right when he says that this result cannot be attributed to the attacks of 2016 any longer. However, a profit, no matter how small, is always better than a loss! :) I think all airlines are changing towa...

We all hope so. However, let's never underestimate the politics in Belgium. Never... Air Belgium is flagged as a "Walloon project" which doesn't makes things easier when the country is mostly ruled by the "Flemish" at the Federal level. I don't want to start a debate about Wallo...

Passenger wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:07 (I think that the 2016 result excludes the 22/03/2016 insurance cover).

The 2016 result includes the insurance cover. Without the cover, it would have been dark red.
2017 was profitable as well, although far from the target, the exact results will be announced shortly.

OO-SFB will get the EW livery later this week in FCO. ... and the SN livery when it returns to SN in 10 months? And Carsten Spohr will complain that SN has bad results... Eurowings pays the Eurowings paint, Brussels Airlines pays the Brussels Airlines paint. Brussels Airlines' balance sheet is not ...

1) Really... no airline with 50-60 planes can develop without an alliance... Want me to make a list? Yes, please do. I am very interested which (European) airlines with a fleet of around 50-60 aircraft fly short haul and long haul and that are not part of an alliance or a larger group. I think the ...

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufthansa-group/brussels-airlines/16-5-growth-for-brussels-airlines-in-february/ https://press.brusselsairlines.com/165-growth-for-brussels-airlines-in-february there seems to be an error in it though. If I calculate Cargo RTK/ATK, LF seems to be 76.9% (one year ag...

I think that doing so would push them above the 50% market share at BRU, and perhaps even on the Belgian market. With BRU serving roughly 75% of the Belgian market, an airline (group) that only operates from BRU would need at least a 67% market share in order to capture 50% of the whole Belgian mar...

SNL 2nd part of this month
SNM first half of April
SNK end of May

Thomaaas wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 10:38 Dont make up stuff: SN doesn’t pay the volunteers during strikes of weather conditions: they are employees from different departments that 100% voluntarily go and help at the airport.

Strikes of weather conditions? Who is making things up? Of course SN pays the volunteers.

2- And then suddenly a diplomatic issue came along with significant impact on one of the key routes to Africa, The diplomatic issue is certainly not « suddenly », it’s already dragging on for well over a year. The lobbying of lufthansa via the german ambassador were key to not having the sanctions ...

It will indeed fly until the end of the year with the CX interior, but with a modified lay out to bring it more in line with the current SN standard.

The aircraft is already going to be on the belgian register before the ferry flight. Expected first half of March.

CTBke wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 13:37 if it's like the current wetlease they'll add the Brussels Airlines logo on the door

I believe there will indeed be an ‘operated by brussels airlines’ title on door 1L, like the sunexpress a330.

Hence why going for low yield O&D traffic when Europe’s biggest low cost carrier has the biggest part of the home market on short haul was the wrong choice. That is not the main reason. And it's also not as black and white as you always make it to be. Regarding the brand: to me, it doesn't matt...

But I read somewhere that the important figure (EBITDA, 9 months 2017) was only €15M for SN for a total of €282M for the Eurowings Group... first nine months EBIT was 15M, EBITDA was substantially higher at 78M. Eurowings only EBIT: 204M on a revenue that is almost twice that of SN, so slightly bet...