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Passenger wrote: ↑21 Feb 2017, 23:02 Flanders thus requested that the Brussels Government would wait a few more days (or weeks) with their fines, because it doens't make sense to negiociate,

Flanders gov. knew this noise regulations since many years. There is absolutely no surprise here.

Don't you think that, as employees and aviation enthusiasts, we should, stick together and defend the airport and the jobs against Nimby's? I do agree. But to be fully honest, Brussels city supports around, if not even more, 75% of all departure trafic. There is a real imabalance on that matter sin...

What do you mean by reasonable ? To support all the noise without having any right on anything ? It's not serious. 50% of DEP out of runway 19 would, as well, seriously reduce the airport capacity, and it's not the idea. The idea is to spread fairly the nuisance, not to be sly, dishonest or whatsoev...

In 2013, over 73000 departures, more than 52000 of them overflew Brussels. Nearly 80% of DEP out pf 25R... This without taking into account all the arrivals on 01 and 07L. Quite expensive if you compare with the 3000 jobs Brussels get at the airport !

It is very acceptable if you use common sense : - the wind is always right. No funky political bypass. - rural wins over dense area Is that really common sense? "Dense areas should get less flights then rural areas? If you live in Tervuren or in Wezenbeek-Oppem or in Meise, you should get 10 t...

Yes mate. But main problem : would overfly flanders instead of BRU regio. Again, stupid, humans, I know...

Brussels needs international tourists and businessmen/women, and they come in via BRU. Hotels, restaurants, shops, convention centres, taxis in Brussels are dead without tourists and businessmen flying into BRU. Flanders mainly needs the airport because of its general interest to the industry: carg...

Of course Atlantis, you're absolutely right : to build a new int'nl airport in Belgium is close to heretical. Would cost billions just for materials, would take years to finish over, would refrain millions passengers to transit via "BE", would open a star way to compteition... That's why w...

So you spread it ,today 80% of the take off go over Brussels if you now that it's the most populated area and that only 10 to 15% of people from Brussels work at the airport it's not fair. Do you have any source for that ? Yes Brussels will anyway have less noise in the future and that's normal. St...

If Brussels is going to hurt the economy of Flanders by hurting Brussels Airport (= as Vanhengel & Vervoort promise), To be more precise, the economy of flanders (honestly not really at hurt in that matter) could be "easily" saved by taking more flights above flemish territory. Rendon...

You're right, a new international airport could be builded in wallonia regio. Why not ? But again : at what cost ? when will it enter into service ? What about passengers during the constrution time ? Bref, same refrain as of Olieslagers.

The bruairlibre PDF is very instructive.Thx a lot.

Acid-drop wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 18:39
- rural wins over dense area

there is nothing else to say.

What to say to those poor guys experiencing a massive buildof new airport in front of their farm doors ? It's not fair. Flemish or not. Please be human before belgian

But again : what about cost ? Money needed to build a new international airport is HUGE. What about the transition period, full of opportunities for EBCI and EBLG ? Senseless.

Not so. They get most of nuisance for a little of money and job.

jan_olieslagers wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 18:28

hence no more complain from them

Forget it. They have made it amply clear they'll always find something to cry about.

Without airplanes above their heads ? No sense. Nevertheless, in this country no one regio can do anything of importance without the will of the others. That's it.

It would be a much more definitive solution. Give the @#$%^& a finger today and they'll want an arm tomorrow. No long-term solution that way. Okay, but moving the 25's (runways) as little as a kilometer farther to the right let Brussels regio absolutely un-overflown, hence no more complain from...

Could be an option. What about the cost of a brand new install vs a move to a bit farther to the east of the existing one ?

Now, let's see how many % pax originate from Brussels and the Walloon region... And if normal linguistic regulations would be taken into account that 10 - 15% of workers would be even lower. The number of pax using BruAir., originating from Brussels, cannot be taken into account for this subject be...

Lumumba, the problem then would be a massive concentration of flights on Flanders only. Not acceptable.

Passenger wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 17:04 and thus both have to undergo the less pleasant consequences.

Yes, that's the point, the real problem : in what proportion ? The only way, in my opnion, is to propose facts and figures to decide. How much earns Brussels, how much earns Flanders ?