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A refund with tax money is quite ironic seeing that we've all collectively paid for it :roll: Mr Decroo was quite clear in parliament: SN was in negative equity, in other words: virtually bankrupt. It’s the refusal to refund bookings which kept them alive till today and as such it’s only normal tha...

The only problem here is the fact that all fleet orders are done centrally by the group, and Lufthansa is streamlining fleet decisions in a way that aircraft types should fit to all member brands. This is why there was no interest into the LR version but the group was very open to support the XLR de...

... Noteworthy to me is the additional commitment of €100M by Lufthansa, which is IMHO a meaningful sign they indeed do not intend to let go of Brussels Airlines any time soon. ... ...(depending the interest rate, of which I haven't seen anything BTW)... De Croo said a lot of interesting things in ...

True. There is no right or wrong, but just acceptable compromises. But let's see how things look like top-down: The Group wants to reduce the number of aircraft by approx 100 and maintain the number of flown paxkm. It means generally upgauging. For sure this will be adjusted to post-crisis demand, b...

CTBke wrote: ↑13 Apr 2020, 15:50 maybe Lufthansa sends in some CRJ's from Germany to help out their Belgian daughter (if they'll have too many of them)

There are 7 or 8 to be sold as not in plan for the Future.

But this would increase local complexity, so better to stay with 1 family and this is the A320.

Die investeringen zullen ook groener moeten zijn dan nu het geval is. Nieuwe vliegtuigen zullen ecologischer en klimaatvriendelijker moeten zijn. Omdat Europa met de Green Deal stevige klimaatambities op tafel legt moet ook Brussels Airlines werken aan 'klimaatneutraliteit'. They are talking about ...

SN never realy got a fair chance fighting for its reason to excist. Now you might claim other airlines were hit by the same crises as SN (apart from the 2016 attacks) but overall most other airlines got the time and opportunity to grow or get stable at times when SN was struggling from Sabena's ban...

The majority of the budget is a LOAN, so where is the problem? So why are things mixed here? And nobody speaks about getting any deal - this has to be realistic for both sides. Belgium can not expect better conditions than other countries - more guarantees, longer term comittments etc. And Lufthansa...

Well, Brussels has a unique long haul and all the network is feeding it. Assuming the company is collapsing, why should Lufthansa not open Africa routes from other hubs? There are enough empty planes available, aside the reality that the current A333 are sublaesed from Lufthansa. Of coure this might...

The argumentation seems to be pretty much emotional. So what the scenarios? 1. Both parties align to an agreemt like in the other countries as well - as many as possible of the existing jobs will be saved; the downsside is that some local pride will have to be swallowed, but this happened to the Aus...

Well, was Virgin Express not a low cost carrier?

The DNA of Brussels was never the one of a full service airline.

So we have two positions that are not compatible.

Why not looking after the situation wihtout starting the blame game? The Belgian government made some proposals which were declined. At the same time Lufthansa was closing deals with the other 3 involved countries. So there is nobody to blame here, the fact is that both parties did not came to a mod...

Boeing767copilot wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 19:58 Has the time not come to examine and prepare a Plan B? For example, a restart with the support of or the cooperation of Tui fly Belgium?

The patriots won't like a German company again.

" ... it will postpone the extension of its flight schedule in August, due to its worsening financial situation ." Why cancel the flights if you have passengers paying for it? Say 3 (additional) A330s, flying each 5x2 flights in one week = 30 segments. 7000 Pax : 30 = 233 Pax/flight. Not a bad load...

In the end, LH will have to take the deal that is on the table or give up their hopes of state aid and decide by themselves whether they want to recapitalize it or let it go insolvent. Those are the only 3 options for LH. I think that LH will recapitalize it in small bits to the bare minimum to kee...

In fact, there are some elements that could drive the concept. - Edelweiss as benchmark - after lack of success with decentral long haul routes, the Eurowings A332 were rebased to FRA and MUC and should fly with hub feeding, similar to what Lufthansa is doing for Condor (1/3 of pax are transfer pax)...

The fundamental question is rather - where should the money for the brand new 321XLR come from? And who would pay for the early retirement of the 333? At the end of the day, there are 10-12 years leasing contracts running and Brussels does not earn the money to finance a change. Beside that the 321X...

Well, let's see the difference between the brands and the markets. Both Swiss and Austrian became the commitment to be re-scaled up in the same speed as the other 2 hubs in Germany until 2023. Nothing more, nothing less. The first questionmark with Brussels is how far it is from being integrated and...

It is as always a trade off for having a sharp business decision vs finding a way on transitioning the crisis. What would in an insolvency happend? For example Lufthansa could get rid of all leased planes rather quickly -Brussels does not own it's fleet. Would this be a good move? For sure, as one h...

So what was the situation in Zurich? Do you expect the Swiss to have less ressources, or as their experience with Lufthansa to good and successfull?