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by mvg
18 Jun 2019, 15:26
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Staff shortage in this case means there are not enough controllers at work for a specific shift to ensure business continuity during the whole shift. How can this happen? Combination of several factors: 1) several controllers call sick for the same shift Is it just a coincidence? 2) no (or not enoug...
by mvg
21 May 2019, 16:08
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

German air traffic controllers receive 2,000 euros per extra shift. https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaart/duitse-luchtverkeersleiders-krijgen-2-000-euro-per-extra-shift/10128743.html - The discussion in Germany also reminds us of the situation at the Belgian Skeyes. There, traffic controllers h...
by mvg
18 May 2019, 17:54
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi guys, I was only replying to SR20’s post. Reality is not like in the tweet, neither like in his post. We are not forgetting that the management is doing a very poor job and that being an Atco means having responsibilities. Btw 737MAX, if you know an Atco who has ever worked after he has turned 60...
by mvg
18 May 2019, 15:42
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi SR20, Although i don’t agree with the tone of the tweet, I can’t agree with your statement. - 8000€ netto is indeed incorrect, it is more around 6500€ for a radar controller (as discussed many times before) - 35 hours per week is what is supposed to be worked on paper. Before being short of staff...
by mvg
17 May 2019, 13:25
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@Phoenixx I don’t agree with your view of the minimum service at all. There is no minimum service in Belgium. Listening to emergency frequencies and provide help to aircrafts in emergencies is not a minimum service. It is a legal obligation and the least you can do as professionals. One Atco (usual...
by mvg
17 May 2019, 10:18
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@Phoenixx I don’t agree with your view of the minimum service at all. There is no minimum service in Belgium. Listening to emergency frequencies and provide help to aircrafts in emergencies is not a minimum service. It is a legal obligation and the least you can do as professionals. One Atco (usuall...
by mvg
16 May 2019, 15:40
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@Boeing767copilot
That’s theory... Everyone has already understood the details. They are and they won’t be happy till they get what they want. Like for all the previous strikes.
Say no to a spoiled kid and he is gonna keep on asking till he gets what he wants...
by mvg
16 May 2019, 14:56
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

They will have to renegotiate and give the spoiled workers what they want like always because there is NO CHOICE. That’s why they feel so strong and dare to put a country upside down! There is no possibility to replace them unless you stop the traffic for two years! (Time needed to train new motivat...
by mvg
16 May 2019, 14:19
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

They say they don’t care or ask for money. Maybe they can all give a few thousands euros from their small salaries to give a compensation to the stranded passengers
by mvg
16 May 2019, 13:49
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

It is time to end this circus. We can expect their comments like “You don’t know what you are talking about” and “you don’t understand our job”. It’s all about safety and they are professionals. Those poor workers feel bashed. We feel so sad for them. They work 3 hours per day (sometimes less) for 6...
by mvg
16 May 2019, 08:50
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

And great from the unions and the controllers: they all want/need to attend a meeting at the same time 🙄
They forgot they work in shifts and that someone has to be there 24/24. Are you serious? This is ridiculous!
Tell us that all those who were at home would have come as well 😂 No way!
by mvg
14 May 2019, 06:01
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi Phoenixx, It's not about defending the system at Skeyes. In every company there has to be a "system" to make it work. By the way, that "system" was put in place in 1998: most probably before you joined the company so it's nothing new! It is very similar to how other companies are working and nowh...
by mvg
13 May 2019, 16:04
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@Kriva About those 15 planes at the same time on the frequency at Brussels Approach: if that happens and the final (second arrival sector) isn’t open to split the traffic on two frequencies, then it’s a professional mistake. So no, I do not believe it happens, sorry. Far from it! You are right to sa...
by mvg
13 May 2019, 14:28
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi Phoenixx, No worries. And there is no misunderstanding. 2/3 of the (12) votes are necessary for a new rule to be implemented. Half of the votes coming from the management (6 votes) and half from the unions (6 votes being 3 for ACV, 2 for ACOD and one for VSOA). There was a majority (2/3 (or 8 vot...
by mvg
13 May 2019, 13:59
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Dear Kriva, Anyone who follows this thread will make his opinion about if I know your job or not 🙄 By the way, no controller has ever had 20 planes at the same time on the frequency. Never! And certainly not in Belgium! Even 15 would not happen! (Talking about aircraft flying (not at their parking s...
by mvg
13 May 2019, 12:46
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

That’s where things have to change: if you want to have something to say even though you only represent a quarter of the employees, then feel free to create your own company, independent from the State with all it means. “Something to say” means in Skeyes, according to the way it is functioning, hav...
by mvg
13 May 2019, 11:21
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi Phoenixx, Sorry to say but some of your statements aren't correct. The way Skeyes is functioning (or malfunctioning, depending on the point of view but irrelevant anyway) is the way it has been working since its creation (and well defined by rules/laws). It was well explained in your previous pos...
by mvg
12 May 2019, 06:53
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@Phoenixx I can understand your frustrations but this is the way Skeyes is functioning. Those rules have been set up (in laws) and the role of the unions is paramount. Management is indeed using those rules to have their proposals accepted but this is just what the game is about! Everyone uses the r...
by mvg
11 May 2019, 17:03
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@Phoenixx Two things come up after reading your explanation (thanks for it, by the way): 1) the CEO is from CD&V so not really the same side as ACOD... How do you explain this? 2) the rules of the company are such that with 8 votes out of 12 decisions can be made. Skeyes is a company with Atcos (a m...
by mvg
05 May 2019, 15:18
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air navigation service provider skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 660
Views: 62191

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Reality is somewhere in between what has just been posted. - Management is doing and has been doing a shitty job: no doubt! It's the main issue, we all agree. But there is now a situation to deal with and until now, no acceptable solution has been put on the table. - Atcos in Belgium have the best w...