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by mvg
23 Apr 2019, 12:18
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Even if politics decide to go ahead with such project it is very unlikely to happen because German controllers (just an example) will have to be trained by those who are qualified now on those sectors... Do you think that they are going to cooperate to have Germans taking over their job?
by mvg
23 Apr 2019, 11:32
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Dispo is at 57 (if full career), salary 4500€ after tax until the pension at 67 (3500€ after tax) @Bracebrace Not every Atco can sit anywhere in the world: many have tried and most of them have come back (either they failed or found the conditions too hard abroad). Those who stayed abroad had privat...
by mvg
22 Apr 2019, 20:45
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

A night from Saturday to Sunday and one from Sunday to Easter Monday (considered as a Sunday as it is a bank holiday) are the best paid shifts... Just saying :) Let’s hope they find solutions anyway. But with the same management and the same controllers, if the people are not changed, it’s just post...
by mvg
22 Apr 2019, 20:16
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

There is also a login system on each working position for licensing/currency purposes (a minimum of hours is required per position per certain period). Each controller can see how many hours he/she has effectively worked over the last months/year. It would be very interesting and it would put an en...
by mvg
22 Apr 2019, 18:53
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

How come that in such a sensitive activity as air traffic control the management cannot know for sure who is present and who isn't? They can, or at least they could. Access control is rather strict in Steenokkerzeel, as it should be, everybody needs to "badge" to enter and to leave. It doesn't take...
by mvg
22 Apr 2019, 15:17
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Phoenixx and SR20, one more question: It appears that last week there was a proposal on the table from the social mediator where management agreed to introduce a 32-hour working week instead of the current 35-hour week. But I heard that the trade unions have rejected this because management only wa...
by mvg
22 Apr 2019, 15:01
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Phoenixx and SR20, one more question: It appears that last week there was a proposal on the table from the social mediator where management agreed to introduce a 32-hour working week instead of the current 35-hour week. But I heard that the trade unions have rejected this because management only wa...
by mvg
22 Apr 2019, 14:51
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi Phoenixx, About what you mentioned about the training I would like to mention a few things: - it doesn’t take (or at least it should not) take 9 months to train an Atco on the job in Canac. For an ab-initio, yes, but not for an Atco who has worked Tower before and is already used to working. Trai...
by mvg
22 Apr 2019, 14:24
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Phoenixx and SR20, one more question: It appears that last week there was a proposal on the table from the social mediator where management agreed to introduce a 32-hour working week instead of the current 35-hour week. But I heard that the trade unions have rejected this because management only wa...
by mvg
19 Apr 2019, 14:34
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Phoenixx, thank you for that great explanation. If all of them were like you, things would have been different from the start.

About the wrong management: you are correct.
by mvg
19 Apr 2019, 14:19
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi H.A., I do confirm and could have added examples with callsigns/dates/times, but then you would have looked at rosters and pointed at individuals which is not the aim here. And if you would have read my post carefully, I wrote that that it was possibly coming from a lack of training, decent refre...
by mvg
19 Apr 2019, 06:43
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi B737MAX and the others, Yes we could discuss endless about this subject. We have all said what we thought and the reality must be somewhere in between like usually. It also much depends on our situations, what we compare it to. Let me answer your points though: - unlike pilots, when an Atco is on...
by mvg
18 Apr 2019, 20:26
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Senior aviation journalist Luk De Wilde is a moderate person and he doesn’t tweet “one-sided information”. He expresses what (almost) all other responsible parties in the whole aviation and travel industry think about these ongoing strikes: it’s scandalous. You have surpassed a limit that is unacce...
by mvg
18 Apr 2019, 20:18
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

So, the Germans take over the work of the sick Belgian ATCO’s? No it’s only a corridor that links Liege TMA with Germany, in other words Liege Approach will be connected to Germany bypassing Brussels ACC. Traffic will be able to land and depart but a very reduced rate (less than 10 per hour). Bette...
by mvg
17 Apr 2019, 13:48
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi Phoenixx, Thanks again for the long answer. I think we will leave it here about the solutions. You are right that they should have been implemented a long time ago. But it has been obvious for years that vectoring could have been done from the tower. It was in front of everyone’s eyes but the Atc...
by mvg
17 Apr 2019, 11:02
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi atcofi, I am not attacking your swaps. Only saying that you have a package with a salary and other advantages. When you compare you have to compare your package with what others have. Your classical comparison is your salary compared to those abroad for the same job but you never mention that in ...
by mvg
17 Apr 2019, 08:57
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Hi Phoenixx, Reading your posts and others is very interesting. We could indeed discuss hours and blame controllers and/or management but in your analysis I think your are forgetting some important things. - You compare your salaries with pilots but from what you answered don’t want their conditions...
by mvg
16 Apr 2019, 20:08
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@ Phoenixx Thanks for the long explanation. There are problems for sure. Let me answer 4 points you mentioned (some are true, others i think less) because they are important: - there has never been one leave day lost because it wasn't taken before the end of the year. Same is valid for compensation ...
by mvg
16 Apr 2019, 19:40
Forum: Latest aviation news
Topic: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions
Replies: 381
Views: 29749

Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

@ jan_olieslagers Of course it is not their only way of action and they are losing their credibility. But there is something unique with this job: they will never be all kicked out! An airline can hire planes and crews to fly for them, or they can put pax on other flights from other airlines, or the...