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We're getting off topic here, so feel free to delete: the deal between Sabena and KLM was well advanced, but ultimately blocked by the PS who didn't want to see French become all but a marginal language in the merged company: they pulled out all stops and convinced the socialist government in France...

In the mean time, IAG and Etihad are on the hunt to take Vienna from LH. Which proves that even in corona times business is going on and airlines are looking towards the future. Also puts the whole “no one else is interested in BRU”-story in the bin. https://www.aerotelegraph.com/en/iag-wants-to-na...

If having a consolidated loss on your accounts -let alone holding debt- is a problem for the continuation of a business, then by year's end there won't be many businesses left in the world! Fact remains their latest 5 years showed a positive net result 4 times: what you're looking at in those figure...

All those very long stories...boring to read...bottom line: before corona SN was not able to make profit 4 out of the 5 past years were profitable, albeit relatively low except for the year 2015. And the profit loss of the 2016 attacks are higher then the loss recovered from the insurance. Indeed, ...

If you have some time available, read this sharp analysis of the situation in Belgium with the Federal government, the regional governments, Lufthansa and Brussels Airlines. Politico is one of the main magazines covering politics in Europe and the World. https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-play...

Well you like to mis paraphrase me then as you just did it again: The whole concept seems to boil down to 'anything but them' and I wrote -Safeguarding our second most important economic pillar as much as possible without ruling out any option and choosing the one which in the long term has the hig...

You love to misquote me! I didn't intend to quote you, I just tried to paraphrase your key points, I've read your aswers to my 4 key questions carefully, yet none is showing me any benefit ? :shock: At best you can match (over some time) what Brussels Airlines will still offer us right away.... Why...

I fully agree with you Belgium needs a solid aviation group in Brussels, but trying to fix something which has been broken for its whole existence despite a never seen expansion of global aviation, won’t work unfortunately. I think you're throwing away our only fair chance at safeguarding the secon...

What is remarkable is the ease at which some think that if Belgium wants to replace Brussels Airlines with something new, the old one will just clear the skies for it... Brussels Airlines is fully owned by Lufthansa and as long as they think it has value to keep on to, they will keep it: I doubt Luf...

You forget that all those employees pay income tax but use a lot of government resources as well (social benefits, healthcare, infrastructure etc.) I don't forget it, yet those are all what I'd call fixed costs for our government anyway. Do the children of employees get expelled from school upon th...

Thanks for the interesting figures which we (including me) tend to forget. I don't know if your figures are 100% accurate, but I am inclined to believe they are close to reality The social and fiscal revenues from Brussels Airlines that I quoted are based on their 2018 annual account, which is the ...

Are we so proud that we will continue to put money in a bottomless pit? FWIW, the 'bottomless pit' is actually quite lucrative for the Belgian government! Let me explain: Last year, they've booked a loss of some 25M on a turnover of 1,6BN euro indeed, but they: - contributed more than 40M euro in s...

Add to that 1 governor of Brussels (as well as 1 vice-governor from the different language group) even though Brussels is not a province: nobody can tell you what these 2 are actually doing, but the law stipulates these as offical functions to fill at all times, so it is done. Not to forget the most...

You CAN ask for a refund from Brussels Airlines. I have been refunded by them for all my planned flights in March for instance. It will however take time So let’s stop the discussion then: please provide us with the way to ask for a refund from Brussels Airlines! The website says you can ask for a ...

Oh, please not again.. :roll: You CAN ask for a refund from Brussels Airlines. I have been refunded by them for all my planned flights in March for instance. It will however take time, like as good as everywhere else, because every airline is simpy overwhelmed with these demands as this report gives...

The CEO of Ryanair went on BBC this morning to defend his company against claims it holds on to the money of millions of its passengers who are waiting for reimbursement of their unusable tickets. He stated his company normally receives about 10,000 requests for refund (per month?), has doubled admi...

Nice article from “de Tijd” about the corporate hypocrisy and the “we’re in this together” message they tried to portray. (...) I tend to agree with this article quite strongly https://www.tijd.be/opinie/column/Virale-hypocrisie/10223881 It's impossible not to agree with the moral values portrayed ...

Some news about Spohr's position: https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/lufthansa-krise-101.html I have tried to summarise from a google translation as I don't know German, but here is the gist of it: Basically he saying he doesn't want to be told where to fly from by politicians. He also wants a ba...

Meanwhile, I saw that SN could phase out 10 planes. Does it include the City Jet planes or will they phase out Dome A319s, A320s or even A330s ? The planes of Cityjet are normally calculated in those 10, or around 10, planes that has to leave the fleet. More will be announced soon what the strategy...

The only conclusion seems to be that neither Belgians nor Germans & Belgians can make a Belgian airline profitable. So, why keep it alive ? I don't want Belgian taxpayers money to be spent on it, especially when we are faced with major health and sanitary problems. If LH wants to keep it alive alon...