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Talking about strikes... Last week, a guy from Rijkevorsel (a town a bit north-east of Antwerp) has bought eleven tickets for him, on the days that the Belgian trade unions have called a strike at Ryanair. He expects that the flights will be cancelled, and he will go to court when Ryanair refuses to pay the EU-261/2004 indemnity.

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Passenger wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 18:18 Talking about strikes... Last week, a guy from Rijkevorsel (a town a bit north-east of Antwerp) has bought eleven tickets for him, on the days that the Belgian trade unions have called a strike at Ryanair. He expects that the flights will be cancelled, and he will go to court when Ryanair refuses to pay the EU-261/2004 indemnity.
This is not the purpose of the EU law 🙄

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luchtzak wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 21:28
Passenger wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 18:18 Talking about strikes... Last week, a guy from Rijkevorsel (a town a bit north-east of Antwerp) has bought eleven tickets for him, on the days that the Belgian trade unions have called a strike at Ryanair. He expects that the flights will be cancelled, and he will go to court when Ryanair refuses to pay the EU-261/2004 indemnity.
This is not the purpose of the EU law 🙄
And it also involves some risk: if the strike doesn't go through, he will be unable to fly his 11 tickets in one day and will thus incur a huge financial loss. Unless he bought his tickets at bargain prices...
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I don't have details because it's in the subscribers' part on the newspaper's online edition. But maybe someone here has an abonnement op de Frut?
https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20180713_0361 ... -verdienen

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Another "successfull" screw-the-passengers action on Friday 20th July: 24 flights between Ireland and the U.K. will be cancelled, due to a strike by pilots:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3567837

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fftopic: back ontopic please this isnt a discussion about ryanair and where they fly this is about ryanair coming back to OST

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sn26567 wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 23:27
luchtzak wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 21:28
Passenger wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 18:18 Talking about strikes... Last week, a guy from Rijkevorsel (a town a bit north-east of Antwerp) has bought eleven tickets for him, on the days that the Belgian trade unions have called a strike at Ryanair. He expects that the flights will be cancelled, and he will go to court when Ryanair refuses to pay the EU-261/2004 indemnity.
This is not the purpose of the EU law
And it also involves some risk: if the strike doesn't go through, he will be unable to fly his 11 tickets in one day and will thus incur a huge financial loss. Unless he bought his tickets at bargain prices...
Well, the strike will take place, as a mediation meeting this morning was unsuccessfull (source: press reports). Voluntary damage to passengers by own airline staff is no force majeure, thus the indemnity as per 261/2004 will apply indeed.

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Press release Ryanair:
"Ryanair To Cancel Up To 300 Of 2,400 Daily Flights Next Wed 25 And Thurs 26 To Minimise Disruption To Customers From Unnecessary Strikes By Some Cabin Crew In Belgium, Portugal & Spain."

– Up to 200 of over 830 daily Ryanair flights to/from Spain (24%)
– Up to 50 of over 180 daily Ryanair flights to/from Portugal (27%)
– Up to 50 of over 160 daily Ryanair flights to/from Belgium (31%)
– Up to 300 of over 2,400 daily Ryanair flights all over Europe (12%)

Full press release:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... ew-trikes/

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Michaelcot wrote: 17 Jul 2018, 23:32 fftopic: back ontopic please this isnt a discussion about ryanair and where they fly this is about ryanair coming back to OST
In fact, this is a topic about Ryanair in 2018. And not only in OST ;)
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Passenger wrote: 18 Jul 2018, 15:23
sn26567 wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 23:27
luchtzak wrote: 16 Jul 2018, 21:28
This is not the purpose of the EU law
And it also involves some risk: if the strike doesn't go through, he will be unable to fly his 11 tickets in one day and will thus incur a huge financial loss. Unless he bought his tickets at bargain prices...
Well, the strike will take place, as a mediation meeting this morning was unsuccessful (source: press reports). Voluntary damage to passengers by own airline staff is no force majeure, thus the indemnity as per 261/2004 will apply indeed.
Ryanair cancels only 1/3 of its Belgian flights. Again, he will be unable to fly all what he has booked and which remains on the schedule!
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sn26567 wrote: 18 Jul 2018, 18:03 Ryanair cancels only 1/3 of its Belgian flights. Again, he will be unable to fly all what he has booked and which remains on the schedule!
Indeed, but there is no penalty for being a no-show on certain flights - so he will only loose the basic cost of those tickets. If he has bought tickets only around 20-30 Euro, he needs just two cancelled flights to have his investment back. And when he has managed to find some destinations of just over 1.500 kms (= 400 € penalty), and when two or more of these flights will be cancelled, he will cash in.

And indeed, as you mentionned yesterday: EU-261/2004 isn't made for such adventurers. But there is an easy way for every airline to avoid the penalties/indemnities: avoid that their staff goes on strike. Dutch courts have ruled already that airline must pay when staff goes on strike. And with the recent statement from Minister Kris Peeters about strikes, Belgian courts will most probably also reject strikes as force majeure.

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He is stupid enough alright to put it his little gold digger trick in the papers. Ryanair will refuse to pay out and it won’t stand up in court as it is beyond the intent and spirit of the law.

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sn26567 wrote: 18 Jul 2018, 18:01
Michaelcot wrote: 17 Jul 2018, 23:32 fftopic: back ontopic please this isnt a discussion about ryanair and where they fly this is about ryanair coming back to OST
In fact, this is a topic about Ryanair in 2018. And not only in OST ;)
Has there been any reason to think that Ryanair will return to OST ?

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Of course Ryanair will refuse to pay out this guy for his eleven flights (= for the flights that will be cancelled). Ryanair already told they will simply refuse to pay indemnity to every single of the 50.000 affected passengers. It's their company policy: "we don't pay out, unless a court orders us to pay out". Also company policy: exception for a handful of happy few = our very very frequent flyers.

"A strike is force majeure", Ryanair states. The recent statement from Kris Peeters, Belgian minister for Consumer Affairs rejects that statement. And Test-Aankoop/Test-Achats has now also joined the legal battle: TA will go to court to demand the indemnity.

But such court cases won't change Ryanair's company policy: they will only pay out those who went to court. Ryanair will only adapt to the European legislation at the next level of the legal battle. The FOD Economie / SPF Economie (= minister Peeters) can start a criminal case against some of the executive managers for knowingly violating Belgian consumer legislation: the WMPC - Wet Marktpraktijken en Consumentenbescherming. Impossible? Who would have thaught one month ago that Kris Peeters would issue a press statement that strikes by own staff are no force majeure?

By the way: of course this also applies to the other strikes in aviation, like the recent Brussels Airlines cockpit crew strike.

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Ryanair signed a recognition agreement with the Italian union FIT CISL, who will now join ANPAC and ANPAV as a joint negotiating body for directly employed cabin crew in Italy.
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Ryanair cabin crew strike 25 and 26 July 2018: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=64045

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Ryanair is in talks with Airbus in conjunction with Laudamotion to secure a line of aircraft, although not much progress has been made.

The carrier expects its first five of 210 B737 MAX 200s to arrive in April 2019, which may be placed with Ryanair Sun (Poland) due to strong demand.

Ryanair is also mulling the MAX 10 for 2023-27 period, along with opportunities to secure Boeing aircraft in winter 2018/19 from any airlines going bust.
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Ryanair to cut its Dublin based fleet from 30 to 24 aircraft for winter 2018/19 season due to demand from Ryanair Sun (Poland) and a downturn in forward bookings and airfares in Ireland, partly as a result of recent rolling strikes by Irish pilots. Five more aircraft will be allocated to the Polish unit, reaching 10 aircraft. Over 100 pilots and over 200 cabin crew employees in Dublin to be cut.

Similar move to expect after strikes in BE, IT, ES, PT ?
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sn26567 wrote: 25 Jul 2018, 14:42 Ryanair to cut its Dublin based fleet from 30 to 24 aircraft for winter 2018/19 season due to demand from Ryanair Sun (Poland) and a downturn in forward bookings and airfares in Ireland, partly as a result of recent rolling strikes by Irish pilots. Five more aircraft will be allocated to the Polish unit, reaching 10 aircraft. Over 100 pilots and over 200 cabin crew employees in Dublin to be cut.

Similar move to expect after strikes in BE, IT, ES, PT ?
Charleroi is the 4th base of Ryanair, Milan Bergamo is the 3rd one... So I think they won't do it bcs both airports grew with Ryanair
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Aviation24.be, yesterday afternoon: "Ryanair to cut Dublin based fleet by 20% from 30 to 24 for Winter 2018, 100 pilots and 200 cabin crew made redundant":
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... redundant/

Reply from the trade unions, a few hours later: "Dublin-based Ryanair pilots to strike on 3 August":
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/0 ... blin-cuts/

This strike announcement is once again a proof that the dispute is not about "better salaries and better working conditions": it's just power play from management versus trade unions. And sadly, once again with passengers used as gunpowder.

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