BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by crew1990 » 12 Jan 2018, 20:54

sn26567 wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 11:11
luchtzak wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 10:46

But Brussels Airport with a growth of 13,6% is also nice!
... which is less than Brussels Airlines. Our national carrier thus increases its grip on Brussels Airport.
It' s not because Brussels Airlines has a growth pourcentage than the one of Brussels Airport that Brussels Airlines gain in market share.

Well in this case Brussels Airlines has indeed grow her market share in BRU indeed, but an airlines could have a bigger growth pourcentage than the airport and still lose some marketshare

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by sn26567 » 12 Jan 2018, 21:00

crew1990 wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 20:54

Well, in this case, Brussels Airlines has indeed grown her market share in BRU, but an airline could have a bigger growth percentage than the airport and still lose some market share
Could you explain this mathematically? I would be interested ;) (by PM if you want)
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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by crew1990 » 12 Jan 2018, 21:39

My bad, I tried to calculate in all the way possible but actually it seem that you are right indeed, if the coefficient of growth at an airport is bigger than the one of the airport, then automatically the airlines gain in market share.

Does anyone specialised in statistic could confirm?

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by Stij » 12 Jan 2018, 21:50

;-)

Not a specialist in statistics, but I can confirm!

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by convair » 12 Jan 2018, 22:09

Stij wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 21:50
Not a specialist in statistics, but I can confirm!
Same.
What can be misleading is the fact that if both grow by the same amount of pax, SN's share obviously grows.

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by JOVAN » 16 Jan 2018, 21:16

BRU managed to keep Vienna, Dusseldorf, Athens, Berlin, Malpensa behind them in number of PAX 2017.
Nice performance.

Still, with VIE performing 6mio transfer PAX, and BRU hardly 2mio , it is clear where the growth potential for BRU (and SN) is.

AMS is the example, BRU cannot come close, but with the location and the great airport infrastructure available at BRU, (and the possibility to expand it easily), the growth-strategy should be focused on transfer.
In close collaboration with SN.

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by RoMax » 16 Jan 2018, 21:31

JOVAN wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 21:16
Still, with VIE performing 6mio transfer PAX, and BRU hardly 2mio , it is clear where the growth potential for BRU (and SN) is.
You compare the wrong figures. VIE achieved 24.4mio pax overall and they report the split 'local' and 'transfer' (which is btw not an exact match, so I think they don't specify 'transit' in the split and just leave them out) and of those indeed 6.44mio (+4.4%) are transfer. But you compare that to BRU 2mio which is not correct. BAC has a different reporting method and only gives the split of total departing pax including transfer and transit. However transfer pax are always counted double (arr+dep) and transit only as departing (that's why they specify "Arriving pax (excl Transit)") and as such BRU has 4.56mio transfer pax (and growing more rapidly at +9.9% even though of course the base is lower). That's still significantly less than VIE, but far from as dramatic as you pretend.

Even more importantly I'm quite sure BRU has at least as many and probably quite a bit more long haul transfer pax. VIE is a regional hub with limited intercontinental focus. SN itself is not that big on the long haul (smaller than OS in overall volume, but not so much in terms of transfer share and volume) but it has much more intercontinental partners. OS/VIE on the other hand is much much bigger on the short/medium haul transfer field (for which it has very limited competition compared to SN at BRU (all very well if you want to serve more secondary UK/Nordic/... destinations, but you know that you can expect a very bloody fight with KLM because those are exactly their specialties and they have a MUCH bigger network to connect to whatever SN tries to do - btw, Belfast was not stopped because it didn't attract enough transfer pax, because based on that the route was performing splendidly, but it rather lacked the O&D market to be profitable) -> will be interesting to see if LOT succeeds in it's massive expansion and as such becomes an important competitor for OS in some of their specialty markets).

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by JOVAN » 16 Jan 2018, 22:33

Thanks for your comments RoMax.

Hard to believe that transfer PAX are calculated in a different way as you explain.
Let's see if somebody can confirm your explanation.
I hope not every airport has its own way to calculate APX and Transfer PAX.
That would be unbelieveable !!f

Did not use the word 'dramatic'.
But of course my point is that BRU Underperforms.

Let us hope SN & BRU can work out something interesting and profitable.
But i doubt as SN prefers Kalamata, Murcia, etc etc
Imagine a real network connecting busiess places, with modern planes like EMB.
KLM has almost 50 of them...

AMS is reaching its limits in terms of flights and slots.
So there is most probably a way to take away some business from there...

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Re: BRU airport monthly traffic figures in 2017

Post by RoMax » 16 Jan 2018, 22:58

JOVAN wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 22:33
Hard to believe that transfer PAX are calculated in a different way as you explain.
Let's see if somebody can confirm your explanation.
I hope not every airport has its own way to calculate APX and Transfer PAX.
That would be unbelieveable !!f
It's not a different way of calculating, it's a different way of reporting. Transfer passengers are always counted twice in overall airport statistics: once as an arriving transfer pax and once as a departing transfer pax (2 'movements' on 2 different flights). That's different for 'transit' pax for which the airport visit is linked to only 1 flight (the fact that he also arrives and departs is 'accidental' resulting from the routing of the flight, rather than an intentional act of taking 2 flights connecting at a specific airport).

VIE just gives you the total number of transfer pax (in number of people it's half of them, but they both departed and arrived), most airports report in that way because it gives the easiest split between total local and total transfer. BAC however specifies only based on departing pax where they show the total departing pax and then specify if they were local, transfer or transit. Below that they mention "Arriving pax (excl. transit)" and they don't specify the split there anymore, but also that number of arriving pax is a combination of local and transfer (otherwise it wouldn't be logical either to have 10mio local departing pax and 12mio arriving local pax - there is always a small difference, but not one of over 2mio/year). As unlike for local pax the number of departing and arriving transfer pax is always the same (when they arrive, they also depart, and the other way around, otherwise they are not regarded as a transfer pax), you can just take the number of departing transfer pax and multiply by 2.

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