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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by PttU » 10 Oct 2017, 17:14

I was looking for a flight DUS-BOS (and return) around xmas/new year, can I wait for someone else taking over the Air Berlin flights, or will it take a lot longer before another airline has everything in place to fly this route?

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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by sn26567 » 10 Oct 2017, 22:05

PttU wrote:
10 Oct 2017, 17:14
I was looking for a flight DUS-BOS (and return) around xmas/new year, can I wait for someone else taking over the Air Berlin flights, or will it take a lot longer before another airline has everything in place to fly this route?
Lufthansa might start quite rapidly in November (before Eurowings takes over sometime in 2018), but the prices might be much higher than Air Berlin...
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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by Charlie Roy » 10 Oct 2017, 22:54

For DUS-BOS I recommend Aer Lingus.
(It will be via Dublin)...

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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by PttU » 10 Oct 2017, 23:13

Charlie Roy wrote:
10 Oct 2017, 22:54
For DUS-BOS I recommend Aer Lingus.
(It will be via Dublin)...
With a 4h35min layover in Dublin outbound and 2h inbound. I'm looking around for AMS, BRU,... but was wondering whether it might be interesting to wait for someone taking over the Air Berlin flights, wondering how long that would take :/

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Post by Ansett » 11 Oct 2017, 18:37

The longer lay-over at Dublin Airport when flying to the US is due to pre-clearance by US immigration officers.
see :
https://www.dublinairport.com/at-the-ai ... e-facility

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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by PttU » 11 Oct 2017, 21:54

I know, but from AMS there's only a 1h15 layover. But nothing beats a direct flight ;)

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Post by Stij » 12 Oct 2017, 13:47

According to "Trends" a deal has been signed today between Air Berlin and Lufthansa in which Lufthansa takes over 81 planes and 3000 employees from Air Berlin... It's unclear what will happen with the rest of Air Berlin...

The Article in Dutch...

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Post by sn26567 » 12 Oct 2017, 16:09

Stij wrote:
12 Oct 2017, 13:47
According to "Trends" a deal has been signed today between Air Berlin and Lufthansa in which Lufthansa takes over 81 planes and 3000 employees from Air Berlin... It's unclear what will happen with the rest of Air Berlin...

The Article in Dutch...

Stij
The same article in French by the same magazine in its French edition:
http://canalz.levif.be/news/avec-air-be ... 38025.html

And our own article in English: http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/airbe ... ir-berlin/
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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by DannyVDB » 13 Oct 2017, 09:54

Again, a similar strange rumour ...

"One of the rumours I recently heard is that long haul Eurowings will be started/developed on the AOC of Brussels Airlines, with German crew and bases (ex-AB?). This would eventually supersede the co-operation with SunExpress, who currently flies Eurowings Long Haul.
If this turns out to be true, it's highly likely that at least the long haul destinations will become part of the Star Alliance network."

Source: http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=50

I know some of you think ailriners.net is not worth to be consulted. But hey this is the forum and we should also discuss real rumours, no? :D

I personally think it won't happen, but sometimes life is full of surprises ...

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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by sn26567 » 13 Oct 2017, 10:07

DannyVDB wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 09:54
"One of the rumours I recently heard is that long haul Eurowings will be started/developed on the AOC of Brussels Airlines, with German crew and bases (ex-AB?). This would eventually supersede the co-operation with SunExpress, who currently flies Eurowings Long Haul.
We already asked the question to Brussels Airlines a few days ago. The response was immediate: "Pure speculation".

So, the rumour is coming back?
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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by Yuqu12 » 13 Oct 2017, 10:39

Where there's smoke, there's fire? But why would EW need the AOC of SN for long haul? They have already A330 and fly with these A330 no?

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Post by Bralo20 » 13 Oct 2017, 10:53

Yuqu12 wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 10:39
Where there's smoke, there's fire? But why would EW need the AOC of SN for long haul? They have already A330 and fly with these A330 no?
EW doesn't have any A330's on their AOC nor do they fly them. The EW A330's are operated by SunExpress Deutschland. ;) EW never operated widebodies (except for one year in the '90's when they operated the A310 but not sure if it was operated by EW or by Hapag Lloyd, not much to find about it).
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Post by Yuqu12 » 13 Oct 2017, 10:56

Then why don't they take the AOC of SunExpress Deutschland for the long haul if they already operate these A330?

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Post by Bralo20 » 13 Oct 2017, 10:59

Yuqu12 wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 10:56
Then why don't they take the AOC of SunExpress Deutschland for the long haul if they already operate these A330?
The relationship between Germany and Turkey isn't exactly the best at the moment. Sunexpress is a 50/50 JV between Turkish & Lufthansa so they might want to be ready for future problems.

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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by Poiu » 13 Oct 2017, 15:34

Bralo20 wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 10:59
Yuqu12 wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 10:56
Then why don't they take the AOC of SunExpress Deutschland for the long haul if they already operate these A330?
The relationship between Germany and Turkey isn't exactly the best at the moment. Sunexpress is a 50/50 JV between Turkish & Lufthansa so they might want to be ready for future problems.
More likely there is a maximum number of A330s which can be operated by Sun Express in the agreement with LH unions.
Sun Express offers the world' s worst contracts for A330 crew.
To get around the agreement with the unions, but still save a lot of money compared with the LH payscales, SN could be an option.
The A330s will be in EW colours though, with a small "operated by Brussels Airlines" inscription.

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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by sn26567 » 15 Oct 2017, 17:58

The final Air Berlin long-haul flight from Dusseldorf (to Fort Myers, Florida) is on its way (and making a detour to avoid Ophelia)...
Well worth a water salute!

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Post by sn26567 » 15 Oct 2017, 18:40

It was said earlier that Lufthansa was at risk of being crossed by competition authorities in Germany and the EU after taking large chunks of Air Berlin. In fact, the first shot came from Austria.

Austrian competition authorities said on Friday they believed Lufthansa, which also owns Austrian Airlines, would be too dominant in Vienna if it owned Austria-based Niki, an Air Berlin subsidiary which is part of the deal.

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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by Yuqu12 » 15 Oct 2017, 19:01

Düsseldorf Airport also posted a short movie of the departure of the last long haul flight on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dus/videos/1543550572350206/

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Post by quixoticguide » 16 Oct 2017, 09:13

The last Air Berlin long haul flight #AB7001 made a go around (probably intentional) and landed 08:02 local time.
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Re: Air Berlin files for insolvency as Etihad pulls funding plug

Post by Passenger » 16 Oct 2017, 12:22

quixoticguide wrote:
16 Oct 2017, 09:13
The last Air Berlin long haul flight #AB7001 made a go around (probably intentional) and landed 08:02 local time.
How many tickets could have been refunded with the fuel that was spoiled for that show go-around?
All Air Berlin tickets bought and paid for flights after 28th October are worthless. No refund, no transfer to other airlines.

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