BRU - Long haul & intercontinental in the medium-long term

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BRU - Long haul & intercontinental in the medium-long term

Post by DannyVDB » 06 Aug 2017, 09:00

Hi all,

I start a separate topic on (potential) future developments of the long haul and intercontinental market from BRU.

There were rumors in the past, or plans that never materialized. Which ones will see light and why?

Some that I remember or were discussed in other topics on this forum:

- Air Belgium to Hong Kong (A343) - probably not this year anymore
- Second daily flight EWR-BRU by UA (B757?)
- Oman airlines to Muscat (A320?)
- LATAM from (?)
- EVA air from taipei (via Bangkok) - but this was a rumor before Thai started Bangkok
- Asiana Airlines from Seoul (A350?)

Then of course you have SN where the most stubborn rumors were:

- Libreville and Lagos
- Boston and San Francisco

Which ones will see light (% chance?) and when, why/why not ... Missing some of the rumors or plans?

Previous rumors materialized, so it seems BRU is continuously working on new routes in a systematic way with good results: second daily Emirates, Shanghai, Beijing going daily, ...

Please, only indicate rumors, not wishes (because that list could become very long :D )

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Post by nordikcam » 06 Aug 2017, 10:28

Did not Bernard Gustin say that if BOM was performing wel SN could open Delhi? And if one more aircraft ... Or I'm wrong ?

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Post by travellover » 06 Aug 2017, 10:42

Hi Danny, hi all.
Concerning Hainan, I checked up their website and had a look to the offer on both PEK and SHA flights from/to BRU.

From next winter season.
Hainan will fly daily between BRU and both PEK and SHA.

BRU - PEK : HU 492 : From 12:20 To 05:20+1 : Days -2-4-67 (flight time : 10 hours).
BRU - SHA : HU 7922 : From 11:30 To 05:30+1 : Days 1-3-5-- (flight time : 11 hours).
PEK - BRU : HU 491 : From 01:45 To 05:45 : Days -2-4-67 (flight time : 11 hours).
SHA - BRU : HU 7921 : From 01:25 To 06:30 : Days 1-3-5-- (flight time : 12 hours 05 minutes).

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Post by sn26567 » 06 Aug 2017, 12:43

In the framework of its cooperation with Thomas Cook, SN could launch some long-haul leisure destinations. When? Not before 2018. Where? Nothing decided yet, but one could think Phuket, Kilimanjaro, Cancun and the like. Once or twice a week...
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Post by teach » 07 Aug 2017, 09:50

travellover wrote:
06 Aug 2017, 10:42
Hi Danny, hi all.
Concerning Hainan, I checked up their website and had a look to the offer on both PEK and SHA flights from/to BRU.

From next winter season.
Hainan will fly daily between BRU and both PEK and SHA.

BRU - PEK : HU 492 : From 12:20 To 05:20+1 : Days -2-4-67 (flight time : 10 hours).
BRU - SHA : HU 7922 : From 11:30 To 05:30+1 : Days 1-3-5-- (flight time : 11 hours).
PEK - BRU : HU 491 : From 01:45 To 05:45 : Days -2-4-67 (flight time : 11 hours).
SHA - BRU : HU 7921 : From 01:25 To 06:30 : Days 1-3-5-- (flight time : 12 hours 05 minutes).
That's not 'daily between BRU and PEK and SHA', it's four weekly to PEK and three weekly to SHA.

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Post by SLM » 07 Aug 2017, 10:17

Any news of AIR BELGIUM? First flight to Hong Kong end Oct? Thanks.

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Post by travellover » 07 Aug 2017, 11:58

teach wrote:
07 Aug 2017, 09:50
travellover wrote:
06 Aug 2017, 10:42
Hi Danny, hi all.
Concerning Hainan, I checked up their website and had a look to the offer on both PEK and SHA flights from/to BRU.

From next winter season.
Hainan will fly daily between BRU and both PEK and SHA.

BRU - PEK : HU 492 : From 12:20 To 05:20+1 : Days -2-4-67 (flight time : 10 hours).
BRU - SHA : HU 7922 : From 11:30 To 05:30+1 : Days 1-3-5-- (flight time : 11 hours).
PEK - BRU : HU 491 : From 01:45 To 05:45 : Days -2-4-67 (flight time : 11 hours).
SHA - BRU : HU 7921 : From 01:25 To 06:30 : Days 1-3-5-- (flight time : 12 hours 05 minutes).
That's not 'daily between BRU and PEK and SHA', it's four weekly to PEK and three weekly to SHA.
Indeed. Daily between BRU and China I meant. So daily between BOTH PEK (-2-4-67) and SHA (1-3-5--). Easy to check out by reading the joined the timetable.

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Post by Thomaaas » 07 Aug 2017, 15:45

I already started a similar posts some time ago regarding the potential future of BRU and its new LHL destinations so here's my take on it. These are only potential routes, not based on any rumours or anything but more which routes/airlines BRU should have in a couple of years:

USA:
- SFO/LAX: by SN
- BOS: by SN
- IAH: by UA

Africa:
- NBO: by SN
- JNB: by SN
- LOS: by SN

Asia:
- SIN: by SQ
- HKG: by CX
- ICN: by OZ
- DEL: by SN

South America:
- GIG: by JJ
- GRU: by JJ

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Post by PttU » 07 Aug 2017, 22:18

DannyVDB wrote:
06 Aug 2017, 09:00
Which ones will see light (% chance?) and when, why/why not ... Missing some of the rumors or plans?

Previous rumors materialized, so it seems BRU is continuously working on new routes in a systematic way with good results: second daily Emirates, Shanghai, Beijing going daily, ...

Please, only indicate rumors, not wishes (because that list could become very long :D )
;)

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Post by Jetter » 08 Aug 2017, 03:23

Thomaaas wrote:
07 Aug 2017, 15:45
These are only potential routes, not based on any rumours or anything but more which routes/airlines BRU should have in a couple of years:

USA:
- LAX: by SN

Africa:
- JNB: by SN
Sadly SN doesn't have a plane to fly these routes, nor will the planned new-old A330's be able to. Thus not likely in a couple of years.

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Post by Sonho1985 » 08 Aug 2017, 09:38

Jetter wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 03:23
Thomaaas wrote:
07 Aug 2017, 15:45
These are only potential routes, not based on any rumours or anything but more which routes/airlines BRU should have in a couple of years:

USA:
- LAX: by SN

Africa:
- JNB: by SN
Sadly SN doesn't have a plane to fly these routes, nor will the planned new-old A330's be able to. Thus not likely in a couple of years.
Only in case the 359 would be added to the fleet indeed.

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Post by teach » 08 Aug 2017, 10:38

travellover wrote:
07 Aug 2017, 11:58

Indeed. Daily between BRU and China I meant. So daily between BOTH PEK (-2-4-67) and SHA (1-3-5--). Easy to check out by reading the joined the timetable.
In that case you write 'daily between BRU and EITHER PEK and SHA. 'Both' suggests daily flights to PEK and daily flights to SHA.

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Post by travellover » 08 Aug 2017, 11:38

teach wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 10:38
travellover wrote:
07 Aug 2017, 11:58

Indeed. Daily between BRU and China I meant. So daily between BOTH PEK (-2-4-67) and SHA (1-3-5--). Easy to check out by reading the joined the timetable.
In that case you write 'daily between BRU and EITHER PEK and SHA. 'Both' suggests daily flights to PEK and daily flights to SHA.
The whole post is clear enough. Thank you.

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Post by A330 » 08 Aug 2017, 12:55

Jetter wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 03:23
Thomaaas wrote:
07 Aug 2017, 15:45
These are only potential routes, not based on any rumours or anything but more which routes/airlines BRU should have in a couple of years:

USA:
- LAX: by SN

Africa:
- JNB: by SN
Sadly SN doesn't have a plane to fly these routes, nor will the planned new-old A330's be able to. Thus not likely in a couple of years.
You posted a nice map in one of the other topics, indicating the approximate range of SN's A330's. Clearly LAX or JNB are out of the question for now. I guess even SFO is a stretch.
SN did mention DEL though. If we see the additional frequency to BOM as a sign that route is performing well, who knows when DEL might come up.

Personally I find the whole PEK-PVG thing a bit disappointing. I was happy to hear HU announcing PVG, but they are still not up to daily on BRU-PEK. Compared to other airports in Europe it seems China is underserved from BRU. I guess one day SN should pick this up. I have also always found that HKG should be there as well, but I doubt CX would start it.

Oman Air from Muscat was mentioned quite some months ago. That seems to have gone silent.

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Post by Atlantis » 08 Aug 2017, 13:19

During the morning there is a good, strong long haul wave.
During afternoon we have some African flights, China, Thailand and Middle East.
During the evening is a bit more now but this can be developed much better

What became a surprise to me is since the full take over of SN by LH, no single *Alliance carrier announced a new flight to BRU or increasing the number of flights.

At this moment it is very quiet about UA. No news anymore about their second EWR flight. Houston could be a very good add, bcs good connections now with Africa and The Middle East.

During the evening long haul wave some African flights could be added, a NY or EWR flight, Chinese destination (China Eastern had in the past late afternoon/evening flight ex-BRU)
What a flight to Vancouver by Air Canada or Air Transat?

The flights to/from South America will be, I suppose, also evening flights. In the past the flight to Brazil was always during the evening

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Post by teach » 08 Aug 2017, 13:36

travellover wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 11:38
The whole post is clear enough. Thank you.
The language you used contradicted the schedule you posted. I'm merely trying to help you avoid that in the future, so no need to be pissed off about it.

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Post by crew1990 » 08 Aug 2017, 13:49

teach wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 13:36
travellover wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 11:38
The whole post is clear enough. Thank you.
The language you used contradicted the schedule you posted. I'm merely trying to help you avoid that in the future, so no need to be pissed off about it.
I think we all understood what travellover wanted to say. He made a mistake, we all do, we are not English native but we try to communicate as good as we can. Why making a scandal out of this "teach"!

Can we go back on topic?

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Post by nordikcam » 08 Aug 2017, 14:21

A330 wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 12:55

Personally I find the whole PEK-PVG thing a bit disappointing. I was happy to hear HU announcing PVG, but they are still not up to daily on BRU-PEK. Compared to other airports in Europe it seems China is underserved from BRU. I guess one day SN should pick this up. I have also always found that HKG should be there as well, but I doubt CX would start it.

Oman Air from Muscat was mentioned quite some months ago. That seems to have gone silent.
Currently the HU flight to Beijing is daily. Daily from end of may to...september ? I do not know ! But now there are 7 flights a week !
Source : BRU website

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Post by Sonho1985 » 08 Aug 2017, 23:10

A330 wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 12:55
Jetter wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 03:23
Thomaaas wrote:
07 Aug 2017, 15:45
These are only potential routes, not based on any rumours or anything but more which routes/airlines BRU should have in a couple of years:

USA:
- LAX: by SN

Africa:
- JNB: by SN
Sadly SN doesn't have a plane to fly these routes, nor will the planned new-old A330's be able to. Thus not likely in a couple of years.
You posted a nice map in one of the other topics, indicating the approximate range of SN's A330's. Clearly LAX or JNB are out of the question for now. I guess even SFO is a stretch.
SN did mention DEL though. If we see the additional frequency to BOM as a sign that route is performing well, who knows when DEL might come up.
On the other hand, KL has flown AMS-SFO with an A332 (currently B744), and if I'm correct back in the Sabena-period there was BRU-GRU also with A332?

Looking at the technical sheet, an Airbus 330-200 has a range of 13450km full pax/full fuel. LAX and JNB are under 10000km from BRU... ?

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Post by Poiu » 08 Aug 2017, 23:33

Sonho1985 wrote:
08 Aug 2017, 23:10

On the other hand, KL has flown AMS-SFO with an A332 (currently B744), and if I'm correct back in the Sabena-period there was BRU-GRU also with A332?

Looking at the technical sheet, an Airbus 330-200 has a range of 13450km full pax/full fuel. LAX and JNB are under 10000km from BRU... ?
GRU was operated by the City Bird MD11s on behalf of Sabena.
Older 332s will struggle to reach the Westcoast and on take off from JNB.

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