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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Poiu » 01 Dec 2017, 19:22

gege1028 wrote:
01 Dec 2017, 13:02
In the local Charleroi television, BSCA's CEO, J-J Cloquet imply that Air Belgium should take off from Charleroi...

https://www.telesambre.be/le-debat-bsca ... 24292.html
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He said could, not should, which is a big difference!

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by KriVa » 01 Dec 2017, 19:36

gege1028 wrote:
01 Dec 2017, 13:02
In the local Charleroi television, BSCA's CEO, J-J Cloquet imply that Air Belgium should take off from Charleroi...

https://www.telesambre.be/le-debat-bsca ... 24292.html
from 13'20"
Hi gege1028,
Welcome to aviation24, and thanks for you contribution.
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Acid-drop » 01 Dec 2017, 19:51

Clearly very conditional : without the lenghtening of the runway its impossible.
But they are working on it
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Conti764 » 01 Dec 2017, 19:56

Passenger wrote:
25 Nov 2017, 21:37
sn26567 wrote:
25 Nov 2017, 21:16
Now back to topic please!
Maybe we can continue the fact that Inquirer brought up = taxpayers money should only be used as for long term investments. Not to allow a handfull of people to realize their dreams. Not to buy a rescue vessel in case the ship breaks up.

Every business holds a risk, and I'm absolutely sure Terzakis and Sumchenko had a solid business plan when they've set up sa/nv Air Belgium, back in February 2016. However, they now have to accept that the Belgian CAA strongly disagrees with their business plan.

"taxpayers money" = SFPI and SRWI - Société fédérale de participations et d’investissement (SFPI) and Société régionale wallonne d’investissement. In Dutch: Federale Participatie- en Investeringsmaatschappij and Gewestelijke Investeringsmaatschappij voor Wallonië).
In such scenario, SN Brussels Airlines and thud Brussels Airlines would have never excisted

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by gege1028 » 01 Dec 2017, 22:07

It is said that air Belgium could begin their activies in Charleroi if at short term the airport extend the runway...they have Almost reached to agreement

I said 'imply' ;)

Both he Minister and the Ceo were so the positive

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by sn26567 » 01 Dec 2017, 22:20

gege1028 wrote:
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I said 'imply' ;)
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by SLM » 02 Dec 2017, 08:38

Would an airbus 340 in Air Belgium colours arrive soon? Where? When? Many tx for additional information.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by luchtzak » 02 Dec 2017, 09:11

SLM wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 08:38
Would an airbus 340 in Air Belgium colours arrive soon? Where? When? Many tx for additional information.
We know as much as you do!

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Nevihta » 02 Dec 2017, 09:31

gege1028 wrote:
01 Dec 2017, 22:07
It is said that air Belgium could begin their activies in Charleroi if at short term the airport extend the runway...
"Short term" and "extend the runway" is definitely not compatible...

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Magiktrix » 02 Dec 2017, 10:45

Nevihta wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 09:31
"Short term" and "extend the runway" is definitely not compatible...
Its not compatible if Charleroi stick to the initial plan, wich was a complete runway reconstruction (like 25L 2 years ago) + extension + new lights + new drainage. And most probably working only at night in order to keep the airport open.

But if you need urgently a couple hundreds meters of runway, it can be done quickly. With the will, money and right building company, 15 days.

Other problem is that as a public contract, you loose a lot of time just to determine wich company win the contract.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Yuqu12 » 02 Dec 2017, 11:09

SLM wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 08:38
Would an airbus 340 in Air Belgium colours arrive soon? Where? When? Many tx for additional information.
On Planespotters.net, it says that the delivery of the first A340, of which the registration isn't known yet, is "due".

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by lucas » 02 Dec 2017, 12:20

Yuqu12 wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 11:09
SLM wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 08:38
Would an airbus 340 in Air Belgium colours arrive soon? Where? When? Many tx for additional information.
On Planespotters.net, it says that the delivery of the first A340, of which the registration isn't known yet, is "due".
They say that yet a very long time

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Nevihta » 03 Dec 2017, 16:53

Magiktrix wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 10:45
Nevihta wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 09:31
"Short term" and "extend the runway" is definitely not compatible...
But if you need urgently a couple hundreds meters of runway, it can be done quickly. With the will, money and right building company, 15 days.
I don't know if you're in that kind of business, but it's not just about a couple hundred meters of runway...
Especially if you need a longer runway to land (not only a displaced threshold for t/o).
there are all sorts of safety cases to be done, concerns about lighting, about landing systems.
AIP publications are only every month if I remember well...
I'm not familiar with building roads, but I'm not sure it's that easy in wintertime...
And how long do they have each night between the last and the first flight.
I wouldn't count to much on a short term extension of the runway in my business plan... I wish I'm wrong but let's be realistic..

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by TLspotting » 04 Dec 2017, 21:01

No news of AB... No apparent decision about deliveries of so... :? :cry:
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by nordikcam » 04 Dec 2017, 21:18

TLspotting wrote:
04 Dec 2017, 21:01
No news of AB... No apparent decision about deliveries of so... :? :cry:
I guess VLM, Cathay or Hainan will fly Hong Kong or Shenzhen before Air Belgium !

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Magiktrix » 06 Dec 2017, 22:11

Nevihta wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 16:53
I don't know if you're in that kind of business, but it's not just about a couple hundred meters of runway...
Especially if you need a longer runway to land (not only a displaced threshold for t/o).
This is probably where you are wrong. Yes its only a couple of hundred meters.
And a turning pad.
No you don't need longer landing distance.
And if you take off only in day light, you don't need light. Just a bit of paint.
The limitations of the A340 are on Take off distance.
Below MLW you can make touch and go in Charleroi with an A340.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Desert Rat » 07 Dec 2017, 05:53

What about landing above MLW?....In case of IFTB.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by sean1982 » 07 Dec 2017, 08:53

Desert Rat wrote:
07 Dec 2017, 05:53
What about landing above MLW?....In case of IFTB.
Then you ensure you have a take off alternate, like in low visibility situations

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Nevihta » 07 Dec 2017, 18:39

Magiktrix wrote:
06 Dec 2017, 22:11
And if you take off only in day light, you don't need light. Just a bit of paint.
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And what about fog, rain etc... ?
I mean putting all your business at risk considering departing only with daylight and without fog, or rain seems to me (and to any professional) really amateur...
Furthermore, do you have any idea on the impact on the runway occupancy time with an A340 having to backtrack, make a 180 and depart on an AD with a single rwy, it's huge...
and that's only what I can think about in 1 minute....

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