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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by sn26567 » 14 Feb 2018, 18:07

cathay belgium wrote:
14 Feb 2018, 02:14

Besides living in europe I say Europe first like some might say ...
I agree with you.

Furthermore, the F-35 is by far the most expensive option and Lockheed Martin offers close to nothing as compensations to the Belgian industry.

Admittedly the F-35 is the only one that offers stealth properties but this advantage will soon be outraged with the progress of technology.

Both the Rafale and the Typhoon manufacturers offer large compensations. Belgium would be stupid not to select one of them.

The F-35 will offer commonality with the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries, but the Typhoon has been selected by the UK, Germany and several other European countries and the Rafale by France.

The choice seems evident!
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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by sn26567 » 14 Feb 2018, 18:12

Incidentally, the Netherlands and Denmark are already regretting their choice of the F-35. The Netherlands don't have the money to pay for the last planes they're buying...
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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by DIBO » 14 Feb 2018, 22:04

Boavida wrote:
13 Feb 2018, 23:49
Yeah, let's buy a previous generation aircraft conceived in the 80's...
http://www.jsf.mil wrote:What is commonly known today as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program had its origination in several programs from the late 1980s and early 1990s.

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by cathay belgium » 14 Feb 2018, 22:19

Hi,

Furthermore you have to look at the technology of the enemy...
We will not fight USA,Russia,China soon , neither North Corea for obvious reasons !
We fight terrorism ... An 70's F16'S still do the job ;) now and the next 20 years also!

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by lumumba » 14 Feb 2018, 22:51

Anyway we will have to go for a European army...and stop compete each other developing 3 different fighters on the same continent .
Like Airbus we will developing a military industry together...at least I hope, it's not only for or security but these military budget are huge and are flooding away for the moment to other continents.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by eurojet » 16 Feb 2018, 09:42

well for the Rafale fans .. Let's see how the political parties of the North explain to their electorate that they have chosen a plane from a producer that decided not to participate into the RFP and lobbied its way in. Maybe somewhere else in Belgium they have already forgotten about "Agusta", but not in the North ... My prediction: F35 and MR will get something nice in place (nice job for someone of MR at an international institution e.g.) .. Alternatives are no decision at all and leave it to a future government ... This is still belgium, after all ...

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by jan_olieslagers » 16 Feb 2018, 10:22

Worth reading AND considering:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/16 ... herie-f16/
(in Dutch)

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by convair » 16 Feb 2018, 13:10

jan_olieslagers wrote:
16 Feb 2018, 10:22
Worth reading AND considering:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/16 ... herie-f16/
(in Dutch)
Very interesting indeed! It sheds a different light on the whole matter.

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by sn26567 » 16 Feb 2018, 14:00

eurojet wrote:
16 Feb 2018, 09:42
Maybe somewhere else in Belgium they have already forgotten about "Agusta", but not in the North ...
I don't see the relation to this topic. Agusta was Italian, not French. And the main guy affected by the scandal was from the North: Willy Claes had to quit his job as Secretary-General of NATO.
jan_olieslagers wrote:
16 Feb 2018, 10:22
Worth reading AND considering:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/16 ... herie-f16/
(in Dutch)
I can only agree with (ret.) colonel Therie. Pity that most of his former colleagues of the Air Component are of a different opinion.
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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by jan_olieslagers » 16 Feb 2018, 14:51

I don't see the relation to this topic. Agusta was Italian, not French.
The relation is that the government is going to spend money, quite a lot of money. And, as it says in the holy book of the Scythians, "where the corpse is, there are the vultures gathered".
And the main guy affected by the scandal was from the North
At the risk of (again) descending into the bowl of politics: some in the South were deeply implied, too, both in Liège and in Charleroi. But at that time, and perhaps even today to some degree, the South considered such aberrations more normal, or at least more tolerable. That is the difference: in the "esprit Germanique" more importance is attached to clean politics.
Pity that most of his former colleagues of the Air Component are of a different opinion.
What relevance? The decision is not on the military anyway. At best, they will be heard.

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by Boavida » 16 Feb 2018, 16:12

If Belgium choses the Rafale, the BAF will become a small division of the French Air Force. If we chose the F35 we will be equal partners with the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, etc.

I don't understand this adoration for everything French by our French-speaking compatriots. We've already sold half of our country to the French! Isn't that enough?

The French decided NOT to participate in the official competition. Simple result: they're disqualified. No more corruption, no more secret arrangements, no more favoritism. We're not the 90's anymore.

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by Airbus330lover » 16 Feb 2018, 17:10

Then, between F35 and Typhoon..... surely european.....
Président Drunk said : America first.....
We, europeans could say : Europ first !

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by jan_olieslagers » 16 Feb 2018, 19:37

@Boavida: it is indeed a poor choice between being a chihuahua to Paris or a chihuahua to Washington. But the number or nature of the other chihuahuas in the kennel is of least concern.

But I agree the Rafale was taken out of the competition by those who ought to push it.

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Re: Which future fighter jet for Belgian Defence?

Post by convair » 17 Feb 2018, 00:16

Boavida wrote:
16 Feb 2018, 16:12
I don't understand this adoration for everything French by our French-speaking compatriots.
OMG! :lol: I wish you'd realize how completely wrong you are! :lol:

Could it be that there is a reaction caused by the hate against everything that's French by other compatriots? :roll:
Come on, keep your nerve please...

OK, give SN to KLM... ;) Oops, that would be Air France... :lol: D....d!

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