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2 questions
1) When is the Smurfs plane going to be revealed?
2) When was there another meeting with the Eurowings top?

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brabel wrote: 11 Mar 2018, 15:33 2 questions
1) When is the Smurfs plane going to be revealed?
2) When was there another meeting with the Eurowings top?
1) 24/03/2018
2) 12/03/2018
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DeltaWiskey wrote: 11 Mar 2018, 12:39
JustPlanes wrote: 11 Mar 2018, 10:20 1) Really... no airline with 50-60 planes can develop without an alliance... Want me to make a list?
Yes, please do.
I am very interested which (European) airlines with a fleet of around 50-60 aircraft fly short haul and long haul and that are not part of an alliance or a larger group. I think the list is very short. I am curious though.
I wasn't really thinking Europe so yes that list is small however my bigger point is that alliance is irrelevant in his explanation... SN didn't do an alliance with LH... they sold the store to LH which was not necessary... but an alliance is certainly required for them...

To be honest Oneworld would have been a much better fit for them.... Their strong suit is Africa and in Star Alliance you have enough African coverage... (Ethiopian, South African, Swiss and Turkish)
In Oneworld SN would be the strongest carrier in Africa and that would ensure more growth possibilities... plus codesharing with AA would be good.. UA doesn't even fly from the main US city SN goes to (JFK)... AA flies from JFK and could offer connections through ORD, DFW and MIA! Cathay & JAL could help SN with Asia and LATAM with South America and last but not least Qatar would have been a great partner... they have money, planes and more.... and they could have grown BRU as a hub... They're doing it in Italy now... another list opportunity for BRU and for SN to stay SN! Sabena we sold and lost through Swiss... SN we sold to LH and who knows how long we keep it going...

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OO-SCW (Airbus A340-313, MSN 335, Eurowings opby Brussels Airlines) is on the Belgian register since today (12/03): http://www.mobilit.fgov.be:7081/bcaa/ai ... search.jsf

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Hello

Little bit off topic but still want to share this with you (of course not my opinion)



Greetings,
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Brussels Airlines will increase frequency to Washington, Accra and Lomé from the 1st of june till the 21th of october 2018.Washington will go to daily, Accra to 6x weekly and Lomé to 5x weekly.
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airbuske wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 17:15 Brussels Airlines will increase frequency to Washington, Accra and Lomé from the 1st of june till the 21th of october 2018.Washington will go to daily, Accra to 6x weekly and Lomé to 5x weekly.
all IAD codeshared with UA then I suppose ? good for connections out of IAD
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If I understood well Brussels Airlines is still not profitable.
Only the African flights are,are we doomed after SABENA not to succeed to make an airline profitable.

Or is it more complex than that and is the boss of Eurowings playing a political game!
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lumumba wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 19:53 If I understood well Brussels Airlines is still not profitable.
Not that unexpected, but you understood it wrong. Brussels Airlines is profitable.
2016: +15.015.202 Euro
2015: +41.300.374 Euro

(I think that the 2016 result excludes the 22/03/2016 insurance cover).

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Passenger wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 20:07
lumumba wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 19:53 If I understood well Brussels Airlines is still not profitable.
Not that unexpected, but you understood it wrong. Brussels Airlines is profitable.
2016: +15.015.202 Euro
2015: +41.300.374 Euro

(I think that the 2016 result excludes the 22/03/2016 insurance cover).
And revenues 2017 are less than expected.

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Passenger wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 20:07 (I think that the 2016 result excludes the 22/03/2016 insurance cover).
The 2016 result includes the insurance cover. Without the cover, it would have been dark red.
2017 was profitable as well, although far from the target, the exact results will be announced shortly.

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Not exactly related to Brussels Airlines, but I am wondering what will happen to Austrian.

Wizz Air is starting a base.
Ryanair plans also to fly from there.
Easyjet already has several destinations.
IAG is going to use Vueling to expand.
Niki is also going to start so lots of low cost competition.

Not to mention Eurowings is already based in Vienna...a similar situation like SN?

I got thinking from here:

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... &t=1388723
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... vienna-ops
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -post-niki

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theeuropean wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 22:19 Not exactly related to Brussels Airlines, but I am wondering what will happen to Austrian.

Wizz Air is starting a base.
Ryanair plans also to fly from there.
Easyjet already has several destinations.
IAG is going to use Vueling to expand.
Niki is also going to start so lots of low cost competition.

Not to mention Eurowings is already based in Vienna...a similar situation like SN?
All these airlines don't have in Vienna what makes the strength of Austrian there: its long-haul network. People will continue to use OS short-haul if they connect to OS long-haul.

Austrian was lucky enough to have been taken over by LH before Eurowings was created, and thus could continue to develop rather independently. Nevertheless, OS had to accept some Eurowings developments in Vienna and other Austrian cities. SN was not so lucky for the last 55% of its capital and thus had to become the victim of Carsten Spohr's pet project.
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airbuske wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 17:15 Brussels Airlines will increase frequency to Washington, Accra and Lomé from the 1st of june till the 21th of october 2018.Washington will go to daily, Accra to 6x weekly and Lomé to 5x weekly.
Which frequencies will be decreased to compensate?

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Hi convair,

I think none, although of course they fly less to Kinshasa already; also they intended to fly more to East-Africa (don't remember the details though, if I remember well there were 2 additional frequencies/w there) ... The plan to fly more to Africa has been announced several times, at least during the 'high' season, for example in the B-Inspired magazine. I my opinion they will use the second 'new' A330 for that instead of leaving it on the tarmac. I would also not be surprised if they use one of the 'new 'A330 to some European destinations which will be very popular during the high season (e.g. tenerife), but also for some tomorrowland flights.

I am curious what will happen with Toronto: back to 5 flights/w ? But as is the case for Washington, also Toronto will be jointly decided with AC/LH/EW (not SN alone). Which makes sense.

So no new long haul destinations but careful extension of some existing destinations ... Wise.

They will focus first on the integration of Thomas Cook, big chunk of work if you aks me.

Long term? Profitability remains clearly an issue + monitor carefully opportunities and make small decisions.

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Extraordinary works council at Brussels Airlines: a bleak future in Brussels?
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... -brussels/


On Monday 12 March, an extraordinary works council took place at the headquarters of Brussels Airlines in the presence of the CEO of Eurowings, Thorsten Dirks. The latter wanted to explain the development plans of his company, in which Brussels Airlines has been integrated.

After the meeting, the representatives of the trade unions were not very happy, nor reassured.

The CEO of Eurowings was to present to them his progress towards greater integration of the Belgian airline into the Eurowings group since their last meeting one month ago. “All this was vague and we did not learn much more,” the trade unions said. No major changes for staff are expected before the 2019 summer season, it seems.

According to the boss of Eurowings, Brussels Airlines’ European, North American and Asian networks are currently not profitable, unlike long-haul flights to Africa. “But he repeated that his goal was growth (from 190 to 300 aircraft in 2020, ed.) and that the company should integrate into this scheme,” says Didier Lebbe, Permanent Secretary of the Christian union CNE/LBC. It may, therefore, be necessary to develop a new network, think the unions.

Eurowings, however, does not yet have a clear plan on how to get there, it seems. There is currently no need to grow in Brussels, but if opportunities like the recent take-over of Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium appear, Brussels Airlines will grab them, says Dirks.

“Give us time to work, trust us, that’s what we are told,” laments the unionist. It will be up to the new management of Brussels Airlines to develop, present and implement this plan. But his financial director has not been named yet. He should be named next Monday and then accompany the new CEO Christina Foerster in this task.

Thorsten Dirks sees no change in employment in the short term, says Filip Lemberechts of the liberal union ACLVB/CGSLB. And no major change for staff is expected before the summer season 2019 at the earliest, adds Anita Van Hoof, of the socialist union BBTK/SETCa. In this context, no action by the staff is planned immediately, according to the different unions.

According to some sources, Eurowings sees major developments in Paris, Rotterdam (to compete against KLM in Schiphol) and, of course, Düsseldorf. Brussels would only maintain the current 50 aircraft based in the near future. The future development remains unsure.
Bleak future? Yes, that may be the conclusion, based upon what was told during that extraordinary Ondernemingsraad/Conseil d'Entreprise. But let's be realistic: everything that management tells the unions during such meeting, is leaked to the press. On Monday, newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws reported already around 13h what Dirks had said one hour earlier.

Therefore, it would be utterly stupid from Dirks to reveal a strategic plan and commercial details on a public forum like the Ondernemingsraad/Conseil d'Entreprise. Simply because the competition then also knows.

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Well if the only thing that keeps SN afloat is the income from a very unstable region then as an investor I would be seriously worried. It brings me back to my original point of unsustainable growth. Loads of praise posts here about “the endless amounts of B-tails at A gates” which don’t do anything when not making money. The phasing of the Avro’s hasn’t brought in the money. Profit is only made on very very few routes while the fuel price is still averagely low ... I’m more and more starting to see why Gustin was asked to pack up his desk

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The endless amount of B-Tails only happens twice a day, really... after the morning arrival peak, and after the evening arrival peak. A few hours later, most if not all of those aircraft are gone again. It’s not like they are sitting at a gate doing nothing all day.
While they may have missed the target they were aiming for for 2017 (figures aren’t published yet, are they?), they are profitable. If they need to run a few short haul routes unprofitable in order to get connections to very profitable long haul flights, so be it. I’d doubt they’re the only ones using that strategy. The end result counts.
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KriVa wrote: 13 Mar 2018, 12:34 If they need to run a few short haul routes unprofitable in order to get connections to very profitable long haul flights, so be it. I’d doubt they’re the only ones using that strategy. The end result counts.
I agree with that. What is worrying is that the l/h fights are not profitable, although for BOM, it's too early to decide, imho, after less than a year of operation!

For the tatl flights, I see, among others, 3 possible reasons:
1. people want daily flights;
2. not reliable: too many cancellations, for JFK anyway;
3. due to lack of planes, the choice of destinations is too narrow, so the name isn't known overseas. (destinations like Boston, Montreal, Atlanta were very successful during Sabena time, before the Swissair episode)

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Ansett wrote: 14 Mar 2018, 00:06
KriVa wrote: 13 Mar 2018, 12:34 If they need to run a few short haul routes unprofitable in order to get connections to very profitable long haul flights, so be it. I’d doubt they’re the only ones using that strategy. The end result counts.
I agree. I wonder how many European routes operated by LH are profitable ?
I agree, but for that to work you need an extensive profitable long haul network. not just a partly profitable small one. It also shows that the choice for vast amount of low yield O&D routes was the wrong one. SN’s cost base is too high to make that work

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