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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by luchtzak » 10 Apr 2018, 22:48

Poiu wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 22:00
jan_olieslagers wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 19:51
which at the end of this month will have cost 170 million euros to the company
André, where is your objective source for this prediction? I thought better of your journalism than to merely echo the victim's bleating.
Exactly, Jan!
Same with the number of strikers, André, echoing management, pretends a minority of 36% of the pilots is on strike. With 7 crews/aircraft and 36% on strike, that would stil leave 5 crews per aircraft available, so why would they have to cancel 40% of the flights?
Objective journalism and moderating is indeed a problem on aviation24.be
Then this famous French journalist from Les Echos is also objective in his journalism, a link to his tweet: https://twitter.com/BrunoTrevidic/statu ... 7032961025
Bruno Trévidic wrote:Grève Air France : 75% des vols maintenus mardi 10 avril (65% des long-courriers). 35,3% de grévistes chez les pilotes, 20,2% chez les PNC et 13% au sol. La grève se poursuit le 11 avril.

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by Poiu » 10 Apr 2018, 23:47

luchtzak wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 22:48
Poiu wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 22:00
jan_olieslagers wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 19:51


André, where is your objective source for this prediction? I thought better of your journalism than to merely echo the victim's bleating.
Exactly, Jan!
Same with the number of strikers, André, echoing management, pretends a minority of 36% of the pilots is on strike. With 7 crews/aircraft and 36% on strike, that would stil leave 5 crews per aircraft available, so why would they have to cancel 40% of the flights?
Objective journalism and moderating is indeed a problem on aviation24.be
Then this famous French journalist from Les Echos is also objective in his journalism, a link to his tweet: https://twitter.com/BrunoTrevidic/statu ... 7032961025
Bruno Trévidic wrote:Grève Air France : 75% des vols maintenus mardi 10 avril (65% des long-courriers). 35,3% de grévistes chez les pilotes, 20,2% chez les PNC et 13% au sol. La grève se poursuit le 11 avril.
So the tweet of a journo is your source? :roll:

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by luchtzak » 11 Apr 2018, 00:26

Poiu wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 23:47
luchtzak wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 22:48
Poiu wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 22:00


Exactly, Jan!
Same with the number of strikers, André, echoing management, pretends a minority of 36% of the pilots is on strike. With 7 crews/aircraft and 36% on strike, that would stil leave 5 crews per aircraft available, so why would they have to cancel 40% of the flights?
Objective journalism and moderating is indeed a problem on aviation24.be
Then this famous French journalist from Les Echos is also objective in his journalism, a link to his tweet: https://twitter.com/BrunoTrevidic/statu ... 7032961025
Bruno Trévidic wrote:Grève Air France : 75% des vols maintenus mardi 10 avril (65% des long-courriers). 35,3% de grévistes chez les pilotes, 20,2% chez les PNC et 13% au sol. La grève se poursuit le 11 avril.
So the tweet of a journo is your source? :roll:
No: he also based his tweet based on the official information of the airline.

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by Jetter » 11 Apr 2018, 00:50

jan_olieslagers wrote:
10 Apr 2018, 20:01
Thanks, this neatly confirms the 170 figure comes from AF management without any further support. Not that I defend the strikers, but I prefer firmer info.
What's next, you don't trust their passanger figures either? AF is a publicly traded company, as such it's prohibited for them to intentially distribute false information about their finances. This isn't a random number.

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by Passenger » 11 Apr 2018, 01:18

It's more then just "a tweet from a journalist":



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRu0a1rH_3g

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by Passenger » 11 Apr 2018, 12:29

The trade unions have refused to negociate - they maintain their demand for a general 6% wage increase.

Hence: new strikes announced for 17, 18, 23 and 24th april 2018.

Poor passengers...

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by sn26567 » 16 Apr 2018, 12:16

Strike action: Air France traffic forecasts for Tuesday, 17 April 2018

On Tuesday 17 April 2018, Air France plans to operate 70 % of its flights:

55% of its long-haul flights;
65% of its medium-haul flights on departure to and from Paris-Charles de Gaulle;
80 % of its short-haul flights, Paris-Orly and French provinces.

In view of a percentage of staff on strike, subject to the Diard law and expected to work on 17 April 2018, estimated at:

29.6% of pilots;
20.4% of cabin crew;
12.4% of ground staff.

The flight schedule is updated 24 hours in advance. Disruptions and delays are to be expected.
Air France recommends its customers with a flight reservation on 17 April to postpone their trip.

Air France regrets this situation and is making every effort to minimize the inconvenience this strike action may cause to its customers.

Flight schedule for Wednesday 18 April will be published on Tuesday 17 April.

How to be informed about your trip?

Air France invites its customers to check on www.airfrance.com that their flight is operating before going to the airport. The flights displayed as maintained for Tuesday 17 April will operate.

Air France has the "AF Connect" service, which informs its customers directly and in 13 languages all over the world on their mobile phone or by e-mail. To be notified personally by AF Connect, Air France invites customers to update their contact details (mobile number and/or e-mail) in their reservation file on www.airfrance.com website or in their Flying Blue profile. It is possible to consult and update these details at any time on this website in the "My reservations" section and on our mobile websites.

Since 15th April, close to 140,000 messages have been sent individually and in real time to inform customers due to travel on this day.

How to postpone your trip?

Air France offers its customers who are booked on an Air France-operated flight on 10 April 2018 rebooking solutions and the possibility to modify their trip, whether their flight is cancelled or not.

Customers with a cancelled flight will be able to obtain a ticket refund at no extra charge.

All these commercial measures are available for consultation on the website www.airfrance.com.



To take advantage of these commercial measures:

- visit in priority the website www.airfrance.com ("My reservations" section) or the Air France app;
- log on to Twitter with #Airfrance on Facebook.com/airfrance ;
- call the toll-free number: 0 800 240 260 (available from France or overseas departments) or +33 1 57 02 10 58 (from abroad);
- contact your usual retailer.
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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by Passenger » 16 Apr 2018, 14:49

sn26567 wrote:
16 Apr 2018, 12:16
Customers with a cancelled flight will be able to obtain a ticket refund at no extra charge.
No, Air France!
Customers with a cancelled flight have the right to choose between a rebooking and a full refund.

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by sn26567 » 17 Apr 2018, 18:00

Air France traffic forecasts for Wednesday, 18 April 2018

On Wednesday, 18 April 2018, Air France plans to operate 70% of its flights:

70% of its long-haul flights;
55% of its medium-haul flights on departure to and from Paris-Charles de Gaulle;
80% of its short-haul flights, Paris-Orly and French provinces.

In view of a percentage of staff on strike, subject to the Diard law and expected to work on 18 April 2018, estimated at:

31,1% of pilots;
22,4% of cabin crew;
13,8% of ground staff.

The fight schedule for today, Tuesday 17 April 2018, is operating according to forecast.

The flight schedule is updated 24 hours in advance. Disruptions and delays are to be expected.
Air France recommends its customers with a flight reservation on 18 April to postpone their trip.

Air France regrets this situation and is making every effort to minimize the inconvenience this strike action may cause to its customers.

How to be informed about your trip?

Air France invites its customers to check on www.airfrance.com that their flight is operating before going to the airport. The flights displayed as maintained for Wednesday 18 April will operate.

Air France has the "AF Connect" service, which informs its customers directly and in 13 languages all over the world on their mobile phone or by e-mail. To be notified personally by AF Connect, Air France invites customers to update their contact details (mobile number and/or e-mail) in their reservation file on www.airfrance.com website or in their Flying Blue profile. It is possible to consult and update these details at any time on this website in the "My reservations" section and on our mobile websites.

Since 15 April, close to 300.000 messages have been sent individually and in real time to inform customers due to travel on this day.

How to postpone your trip?

Air France offers its customers who are booked on an Air France-operated flight on 18 April 2018 rebooking solutions and the possibility to modify their trip, whether their flight is cancelled or not.

Customers with a cancelled flight will be able to obtain a ticket refund at no extra charge.

All these commercial measures are available for consultation on the website www.airfrance.com.



To take advantage of these commercial measures:

- visit in priority the website www.airfrance.com ("My reservations" section) or the Air France app;

- log on to Twitter with #Airfrance on Facebook.com/airfrance ;

- call the toll-free number: 0 800 240 260 (available from France or overseas departments) or +33 1 57 02 10 58 (from abroad);

- contact your usual retailer.
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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by sn26567 » 20 Apr 2018, 20:45

Nevertheless, unions announced new strikes in May...
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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by sn26567 » 22 Apr 2018, 18:10

Air France: it continues...

STRIKE ACTION : AIR FRANCE TRAFFIC FORECASTS FOR MONDAY, 23 APRIL 2018

On Monday 23 April 2018, Air France plans to operate 75% of its flights:

• 65% of its long-haul flights;
• 65% of its medium-haul flights on departure to and from Paris-Charles de Gaulle;
• 85% of its short-haul flights, Paris-Orly and French provinces.

In view of a percentage of staff on strike, subject to the Diard law and expected to work on Monday 23 April 2018, estimated at:

• 28,1% of pilots;
• 19,6% of cabin crew;
• 13% of ground staff.

The flight schedule is updated 24 hours in advance. Disruptions and delays are to be expected.

Air France recommends its customers with a flight reservation on 23 April to postpone their trip.

Air France regrets this ongoing strike action at a time when company management has made several proposals to end the conflict and has announced the launch of a consultation with all staff on the agreement proposed on 16 April.

Air France regrets this situation and is making every effort to minimize the inconvenience this strike action may cause to its customers.

Flight schedule for Tuesday 24 April will be published on Monday 23 April.

How to be informed about your trip?

Air France invites its customers to check on www.airfrance.com that their flight is operating before going to the airport. The flights displayed as maintained for Monday 23 April will operate.

Air France has the "AF Connect" service, which informs its customers directly and in 13 languages all over the world on their mobile phone or by e-mail. To be notified personally by AF Connect, Air France invites customers to update their contact details (mobile number and/or e-mail) in their reservation file on www.airfrance.com website or in their Flying Blue profile. It is possible to consult and update these details at any time on this website in the "My reservations" section and on our mobile websites.

Since 20th April, close to 220,000 messages have been sent individually and in real time to inform customers due to travel on this day.

How to postpone your trip?

Air France offers its customers who are booked on an Air France-operated flight on 23 April 2018 rebooking solutions and the possibility to modify their trip, whether their flight is cancelled or not.

Customers with a cancelled flight will be able to obtain a ticket refund at no extra charge.

All these commercial measures are available for consultation on the website www.airfrance.com.

To take advantage of these commercial measures:

- visit in priority the website www.airfrance.com ("My reservations" section) or the Air France app;
- log on to Twitter with #Airfrance on Facebook.com/airfrance ;
- call the toll-free number: 0 800 240 260 (available from France or overseas departments) or +33 1 57 02 10 58 (from abroad);
- contact your usual retailer.
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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by sn26567 » 23 Apr 2018, 16:58

sn26567 wrote:
22 Apr 2018, 18:10
Air France: it continues...

STRIKE ACTION : AIR FRANCE TRAFFIC FORECASTS FOR MONDAY, 23 APRIL 2018
And for tomorrow, "la même chose!":

STRIKE ACTION: AIR FRANCE TRAFFIC FORECASTS FOR TUESDAY, 24 APRIL 2018

On Tuesday, 24 April 2018, Air France plans to operate almost 75 % of its flights:

• 70 % of its long-haul flights;
• 65 % of its medium-haul flights on departure to and from Paris-Charles de Gaulle;
• 80 % of its short-haul flights, Paris-Orly and French provinces.

In view of a percentage of staff on strike, subject to the Diard law and expected to work on 24 April 2018, estimated at:

• 27,2 % of pilots;
• 19,9 % of cabin crew;
• 15,6 % of ground staff.

The flight schedule for today, Monday 23 April 2018, is operating according to forecast.

The flight schedule is updated 24 hours in advance. Disruptions and delays are to be expected.

Air France recommends its customers with a flight reservation on 24 April to postpone their trip.

Air France regrets this ongoing strike action at a time when company management has made several proposals to end the conflict and has announced the launch of a consultation with all staff on the agreement proposed on 16 April.

Air France regrets this situation and is making every effort to minimize the inconvenience this strike action may cause to its customers.

How to be informed about your trip?

Air France invites its customers to check on www.airfrance.com that their flight is operating before going to the airport. The flights displayed as maintained for Tuesday 24 April will operate.

Air France has the "AF Connect" service, which informs its customers directly and in 13 languages all over the world on their mobile phone or by e-mail. To be notified personally by AF Connect,

Air France invites customers to update their contact details (mobile number and/or e-mail) in their reservation file on www.airfrance.com website or in their Flying Blue profile. It is possible to consult and update these details at any time on this website in the "My reservations" section and on our mobile websites.

Since 20 April, close to 320.000 messages have been sent individually and in real time to inform customers due to travel on this day.

How to postpone your trip?

Air France offers its customers who are booked on an Air France-operated flight on 24 April 2018 rebooking solutions and the possibility to modify their trip, whether their flight is cancelled or not.

Customers with a cancelled flight will be able to obtain a ticket refund at no extra charge.

All these commercial measures are available for consultation on the website www.airfrance.com.

To take advantage of these commercial measures:
- visit in priority the website www.airfrance.com ("My reservations" section) or the Air France app;
- log on to Twitter with #Airfrance on Facebook.com/airfrance ;
- call the toll-free number: 0 800 240 260 (available from France or overseas departments) or +33 1 57 02 10 58 (from abroad);
- contact your usual retailer.
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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by luchtzak » 23 Apr 2018, 17:39

Both are going “all the way!”

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by sn26567 » 24 Apr 2018, 09:56

9 days of consultation, so that all Air France staff can express their opinion on the proposed pay agreement to end the strikes.

Since 22 February 2018, Air France has faced 11 days of strike action over pay demands, whose overall financial impact is estimated at close to 300 million euros.

Following the completion of the negotiations, and to put an end to the conflict, on 16 April Air France management drafted a final multi-year pay proposal ensuring a 7% wage increase over 4 years, in addition to the individual increases.

This agreement, based on a "growth pact for the future", open to signature until Friday 20 April at midday, did not receive the majority signatures required.

After several proposals to find a compromise and faced with a deadlock situation, Air France Chairman Jean-Marc Janaillac has decided to consult all Air France staff by asking them the following question:

"To ensure a positive outcome to the ongoing conflict, are you in favour of the pay agreement proposed on 16 April 2018?"

This consultation will be launched on Thursday 26 April 2018 at 10 am and will end on Friday 4 May 2018 at 6 pm.

It will be sent to all employees with an Air France work contract* and its result will be announced on Friday 4 May 2018, at the end of the voting period.

This anonymous consultation, with no legal implications, will take place according to the principle of a single college (one employee, one vote). It will be conducted by a professional specialized in corporate electronic voting whose operations are regulated by law, under the supervision of a bailiff.

Air France press release 24/04/2018
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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by sn26567 » 03 May 2018, 15:35

And the next day, "la même chose":

AIR FRANCE TRAFFIC FORECASTS FOR FRIDAY, 4 MAY 2018

On Friday, 4 May 2018, Air France plans to operate 75 % of its flights:

- 80 % of its long-haul flights;
- 65 % of its medium-haul flights on departure to and from Paris-Charles de Gaulle;
- 80 % of its short-haul flights, Paris-Orly and French provinces.

In view of a percentage of staff on strike, subject to the Diard law and expected to work on 4 May 2018, estimated at:

- 21,5 % of pilots;
- 17,1 % of cabin crew;
- 12,5 % of ground staff.

The flight schedule for today, Thursday 3 may 2018, is operating according to forecast.

The flight schedule is updated 24 hours in advance. Disruptions and delays are to be expected.

Air France recommends its customers with a flight reservation on 4 May to postpone their trip.

Air France regrets this ongoing strike action at a time when company management has made several proposals to end the conflict and has launched a consultation with all staff on the agreement proposed on 16 April.

Air France regrets this situation and is making every effort to minimize the inconvenience this strike action may cause to its customers.

How to be informed about your trip?

Air France invites its customers to check on www.airfrance.com that their flight is operating before going to the airport. The flights displayed as maintained for Friday 4 May will operate.

Air France has the "AF Connect" service, which informs its customers directly and in 13 languages all over the world on their mobile phone or by e-mail. To be notified personally by AF Connect,

Air France invites customers to update their contact details (mobile number and/or e-mail) in their reservation file on www.airfrance.com website or in their Flying Blue profile. It is possible to consult and update these details at any time on this website in the "My reservations" section and on our mobile websites.

Since 30 April, close to 300.000 messages have been sent individually and in real time to inform customers due to travel on this day.

How to postpone your trip?

Air France offers its customers who are booked on an Air France-operated flight on 4 May 2018 rebooking solutions and the possibility to modify their trip, whether their flight is cancelled or not.

Customers with a cancelled flight will be able to obtain a ticket refund at no extra charge.

All these commercial measures are available for consultation on the website www.airfrance.com.

To take advantage of these commercial measures:

- visit in priority the website www.airfrance.com ("My reservations" section) or the Air France app;
- log on to Twitter with #Airfrance on Facebook.com/airfrance ;
- call the toll-free number: 0 800 240 260 (available from France or overseas departments) or +33 1 57 02 10 58 (from abroad);
- contact your usual retailer.
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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by jan_olieslagers » 04 May 2018, 20:42

Mr Janaillac decommissions, after staff declined his compromise proposal:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/05/04 ... bevraging/
(in Dutch)

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by Passenger » 04 May 2018, 20:46

jan_olieslagers wrote:
04 May 2018, 20:42
Mr Janaillac decommissions, after staff declined his compromise proposal:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/05/04 ... bevraging/
(in Dutch)
Already reported here:
http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-f ... o-resigns/

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Re: 2018 Air France union strike days; demanding wage increases

Post by Poiu » 04 May 2018, 23:54

jan_olieslagers wrote:
04 May 2018, 20:42
Mr Janaillac decommissions, after staff declined his compromise proposal:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/05/04 ... bevraging/
(in Dutch)
And that confirms that the figures they are publishing about a minimal number of strikers are not correct.

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