Eurowings in 2018

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by DeltaWiskey » 14 Jan 2018, 23:03

JustPlanes wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 22:20
Boy that Eurowings livery on the A340 look terrible!
They paid someone to come up with that? or they went to the store and the white/gray paint was on sale?
Apart from the 2 engines, the livery doesn't look any better/worse than on an A330... :?

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 15 Jan 2018, 08:16

RoMax wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 22:12
Yes it will take much longer than in the US because of the structure of the EU, but the harmonization in terms of airline brands will come, just wait until the next big crisis hits (and then it will be LHG that's prepared with a strong harmonized group).
IAG is just as harmonised behind the scenes but prefers to retain brands as they represent each part of the group’s strategy rather than throwing all the fish in the same kettle. Just a different strategy, but no worse (or better) garantuee for succes

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by Ev.VH » 15 Jan 2018, 18:22

Bralo20 wrote:
13 Jan 2018, 17:30
KriVa wrote:
13 Jan 2018, 16:33
Are we sure they’ll be registered in Belgium? It wouldn’t be the first time a Belgian operator operates aircraft on a foreign registration.
From another thread:
tolipanebas wrote:
02 Dec 2017, 18:18
Registrations for our first 2 Airbus A340-313 deployed from DUS will be:
OO-SCW
OO-SCX
In line with the Sabena-based registration system in use at SN.

So it seems that they'll be placed on the Belgian register.
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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 15 Jan 2018, 18:36

So...no OO registration ? SN crew or not ?

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by crew1990 » 15 Jan 2018, 18:42

Ay dios mio ... :roll:

The plane will be register in Belgium, so far it's still on the register of the previous airline Lufthansa City Line.

Yes the crew will SN crew, but they will be based in Dusseldorf.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by Bralo20 » 15 Jan 2018, 20:26

Yeah but it seems that EW on Facebook said that it will keep it's current registration. So it seems that SN will dry-lease the A343 from CL when it operates it on behalf of EW.

Strange since it was written here that it would get a Belgian registration?

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by crew1990 » 15 Jan 2018, 20:44

On their Facebook they also say that the airplanes will be eurowings one while everyone knows that the planes will be brussels airlines operating for eurowings on a ACMI (aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance) contract.

I just think that the guy from eurowings who wrote on Facebook is not aware of the deal, there are human too, they doesn't know everything on everything.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 16 Jan 2018, 07:58

Kinda doubt Eurowings will publicize the fact that these planes are operated by SN... You're buying a ticket on EW and you're flying on EW.... 99% of the pax don't really care wether the crew is under SN or EW contract....

At least it the SN crews assigned to the EW contract will have some nice routes! New York, Florida and Caribbean... and other than JFK they will likely have 2-3 nights layover.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by AIRMARSHAL » 16 Jan 2018, 11:00

Are the crew Belgians or Germans hired and based in Dusseldorf?

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 16 Jan 2018, 11:18

AIRMARSHAL wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 11:00
Are the crew Belgians or Germans hired and based in Dusseldorf?
Based in Dusseldorf, indeed.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 16 Jan 2018, 12:11

I feel some embarrassment in the communication of Eurowings in social media. They want to keep a German identity at Dusseldorf, however, they don't know how to tell that their two A340 aircraft and one of the A330s will be operated by a "foreign" airline. And thus they use a toned-down language.

Even Brussels Airlines seems to refuse to communicate openly on the issue.

Come on, guys, tell the truth immediately. Delaying can only make things worse!
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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 16 Jan 2018, 14:00

sn26567 wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 19:03
In 2017, Eurowings transported 23,536,000 passengers (+120%) on 196,262 flights (+108,6%).
It looks like Eurowings is taking the credit for the 9.1 million SN passengers as well :o

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 16 Jan 2018, 14:21

sn26567 wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 14:00
sn26567 wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 19:03
In 2017, Eurowings transported 23,536,000 passengers (+120%) on 196,262 flights (+108,6%).
It looks like Eurowings is taking the credit for the 9.1 million SN passengers as well :o

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I think we can safely say that the end of SN as a brand started with the full LH takeover. Every sign points to it.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by Poiu » 16 Jan 2018, 15:05

sn26567 wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 12:11
I feel some embarrassment in the communication of Eurowings in social media. They want to keep a German identity at Dusseldorf, however, they don't know how to tell that their two A340 aircraft and one of the A330s will be operated by a "foreign" airline. And thus they use a toned-down language.

Even Brussels Airlines seems to refuse to communicate openly on the issue.

Come on, guys, tell the truth immediately. Delaying can only make things worse!
Why are you upset? When City Jet started flying on behalf of SN, you weren’t, although it is exactly the same.
Off course EW keeps low profile, this is just a set up to operate the A340s on inferior labour conditions.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 16 Jan 2018, 16:05

Poiu wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 15:05
sn26567 wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 12:11
I feel some embarrassment in the communication of Eurowings in social media. They want to keep a German identity at Dusseldorf, however, they don't know how to tell that their two A340 aircraft and one of the A330s will be operated by a "foreign" airline. And thus they use a toned-down language.

Even Brussels Airlines seems to refuse to communicate openly on the issue.

Come on, guys, tell the truth immediately. Delaying can only make things worse!
Why are you upset? When City Jet started flying on behalf of SN, you weren’t, although it is exactly the same.
Off course EW keeps low profile, this is just a set up to operate the A340s on inferior labour conditions.
On the contrary, it is quite different. SN did never hide that CityJet was operating flights on its behalf. Eurowings seems to do the utmost to hide the fact that SN is operating some of its flights (and PrivatAir and SunExpress...).
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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by Ansett » 16 Jan 2018, 23:26

LH's priority now is to take advantage as much as possible of AB's grounding/bankrupcy.

They might even ABuse Brussels Airlines (with its consent) to reach that goal.

As to CS, fwiw, my most optimistic guess is that he might (conditional) keep the Brussels Airlines brand for SN's flights to Central and Western Africa (and probably even not for flights to North America and India).

All other flights will become EW, also the feeder flights to SN's operations to Africa.

I don't expect any new long haul flights from BRU (except to Africa) as long as LH has not seriously taken over most of the AB flights out of DUS and Berlin.

Perhaps when that process is completed can we hope for some new long haul flights from BRU (under the EW brand).

My guess fwiw.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 17 Jan 2018, 07:50

I guess we can thank those who agreed to sell SN to LH for peanuts...
The folks at SN have been working so hard to make money, carry more pax etc... and its all going to LH/EW.
Those who agreed to this deal have not learned from the past and don't know enough about aviation to run a Belgian airline...
It will just be the continuation of the long list of defunct airlines ....
Sabena, Sobelair
Air Belgium 1
Birdy, Citybird
Constellation
DAT
VG Air, Delsey
TEA, EBA
Virgin Express
TNT
Cargo B
etc... I'm sure there are more

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by Poiu » 17 Jan 2018, 08:18

JustPlanes wrote:
17 Jan 2018, 07:50
I guess we can thank those who agreed to sell SN to LH for peanuts...
The folks at SN have been working so hard to make money, carry more pax etc... and its all going to LH/EW.
Those who agreed to this deal have not learned from the past and don't know enough about aviation to run a Belgian airline...
Not again please!
LH saved BRUAIR from bankruptcy!!
For 15 years BRUAIR has been artificially kept alive by diguised state aid, transfer of pension money, sale of Sabena slots and LH protection.
The majority of airlines you name went bankrupt, selling BRUAIR to LH was the only way to avoid joining that infamous list.
It probably will be “EW operated by SN in the future”, as you say, but at least employment will be guaranteed, probably on inferior EW terms and conditions unfortunately.

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Re: Eurowings in 2018

Post by Inquirer » 17 Jan 2018, 10:12

I agree with the above: a brand is nothing but a name really.
What matters is not the name of the child, but that it's healthy so it can grow up and lead a successful life.

Brussels Airlines as it is today is quite a healthy and fast growing company, offering several thousands of very high value jobs to all sorts of people in Belgium directly as well as supporting an equal number of very varied jobs indirectly: most/none of those would have been around without Lufthansa's (financial) support; let's not forget the all important economic reality amid the IMHO all too sentimental aviation enthusiasm often on display here: we're discussion commercial aviation and thus sustained profitability must be included in any discussion for it to make any sense.

In the ideal world our country would indeed have it's own independent, proud and successful airline (although, which small country in Europe still has such, in fact?), but it's not like investors were standing in line after the demise of Sabena to offer their money for the start of a new national airline, nor was there anybody willing to give even just a cent for the survival of Brussels Airlines in 2013, when they had just announced record annual losses and Ryanair's CEO came over to Brussels in person to announce the surprise opening of a base here all while predicting B.air would keep on shrinking into oblivion as from then on, heavily cheered upon by many people both on this website and other media outlets because we Belgians just couldn't do it and should just stop trying, while luckily some Irish bigmounth was go kind to finally offer us all a chance to see the world differently: let's just sit back and watch... do we still remember those days?

As we know, things went quite differently from what MOL had planned for and that's solely because LH decided to pore heaps of money into a surprise turnaround plan of B.air allowing them to get a complete makeover and what a fresh start that has been, since: their growth figures -both operational and financial- have simply skyrocketed!

And now some people are moaning about the fact that the only one who actually dared to put his money on the line when things looked really grim, reaps the benefit from that? Seriously: that's another nice demonstration of the typical Belgian attitude where risk-averse have-nots are unashamedly jealous of those who dare and end up having.

Anyway, back to the question of the name and of Eurowings taking credit for B.air's figures:
we should not forget there's a huge difference between what a company tells you in their PR which is issued purely for commercial reasons vs. their corporate communication and financial reporting.
In their PR it's clear Eurowings wants to take full benefit from the results of B.air to make itself look as big, successful and important as it can be and thus considers B.air as identical to eurowings. It's logical and one shouldn't make too much of it: it's their equivalent to the MOL bigmouth roadshow somehow.
In their corporate communication however, the LH group always makes a clear distinction between their 2 airlines which are predominantly relying on local traffic to fuel their growth vs. their network airlines which have to draw their business from everywhere to be successful, all without much sentimental favoritism towards either brand: both are clearly considered just names which cover roughly the same type of market and none is worthy of much grandstanding: small print, no own logo, no blabla.
The financial reality is that Brussels Airlines (and eurowings too btw) as a brand is most likely both an asset as a liability, depending the market, so there's not an easy solution to the answer whether they should become 'eurowings' or not: it would likely help them a lot in highly competitive markets in third countries to get more volume and more visual exposure, yet it would probably cost them dearly in their natural home markets (note the plural) at the same time.

I can personally see Brussels Airlines going for a full name change and corporate identity makeover which would clearly align them visually with the 'eurowings' brand yet not make them 'eurowings' proper at the same time, so they can keep on betting on 2 horses much better even, focusing on the aspect of choice depending the market, thus maximizing the financial benefits attached to both options (integration vs stand alone brand), something which in the end is the only thing that matters to Lufthansa and its shareholders.

I'm not going to propose anything myself as that would immediately narrow the discussion to whatever I come up with, but I challenge you to give it a thought, to see the benefits and to try to come up with something yourself along those lines and then to see how you could see that new separate brand fit in with the larger eurowings itself, while still being able to sell it as something differently where needed...

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