Lufthansa CRJ700 lands on runway under construction at KTW

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Lufthansa flight LH1360 Bombardier CRJ7 (D-ACPJ) just landed on closed runway under construction at Katowice Airport .



More to follow!

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Flight LH1360, a CRJ-701ER from Frankfurt, landed on a new runway that is under construction. On board there were 51 passengers plus four crew members, no one was injured and the airplane was not damaged.

The new runway lies parallel to the current runway 09/27. The new runway (3200m long) will be designated runway 09/27 and the current runway (2800 m long) will become a taxiway.

Weather about the time of the incident (15:45 Z):
EPKT 051530Z 23012G24KT 9999 FEW050CB 24/14 Q1011
EPKT 051600Z 21010KT 9999 -SHRA FEW050CB 20/16 Q1011

Source: https://www.facebook.com/KatowiceAirpor ... 5532446511

At right, the runway under construction:

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LH1360 that landed on a closed runway in Katowice will have to take off from the same runway, as there are no taxiways ... And pax will have to pick up their bags and walk in the grass to go from/to the aircraft.

Unless the plane takes off, makes a short circuit and lands on the right runway!

At the end of the day, the return flight to FRA was cancelled...

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The whole story in The Aviation Herald:

http://avherald.com/h?article=476dea26&opt=0

[Passenger]

From the report on Aviation Herald:

"...The new runway's pavement has not yet completed, the runway edges are not yet paved along the entire length of the runway... The aircraft has to wait for the taxiways being built or take off from that closed runway that has no taxiways yet..."

http://avherald.com/h?article=476dea26&opt=0

[galaxy]

The new runway is marked with the standard " X " to show it is closed , and both pilots didn't see that ? Tsssss......

[Flanker2]

After all, Lufthansa's recent safety record is all but what you would expect from an industry leader, despite the general "reputation".

Avherald gives for 2014:
Incident Lufthansa CRJ7 at Katowice on Jul 5th 2014, lands on runway under construction
Incident Lufthansa A346 at Philadelphia on Jun 15th 2014, could not fully retract landing gear
Incident Lufthansa A388 at Miami on May 15th 2014, landed below final fuel reserve
Incident Lufthansa B735 near Amsterdam on May 25th 2014, control problems
Incident Lufthansa A321 at Malta on May 15th 2014, cargo smoke indication
Incident Lufthansa A388 near Torshavn on May 11th 2014, hydraulic problem
Incident Lufthansa B744 near Halifax on May 3rd 2014, electrical odour
Incident Lufthansa Cityline E195 at Dresden on Apr 10th 2014, electrical odour on board
Incident Lufthansa A343 at Frankfurt on Apr 7th 2014, rejected takeoff
Accident Lufthansa A346 at Tokyo on Mar 18th 2014, hard landing
Incident Lufthansa Cityline E195 near Vienna on Feb 28th 2014, electrical odour on board
Incident Lufthansa A346 near Seoul on Feb 14th 2014, flight control problems

Who knows, how many more?
This is a bit too much for me for a world class airline.

[Passenger]

After all, Lufthansa's recent safety record is all but what you would expect from an industry leader, despite the general "reputation". This is a bit too much for me for a world class airline.

Flanker, get your facts right please:

http://www.jacdec.de/safety-ranking-2014/
and
http://www.jacdec.de/safety-ranking/air ... king-2013/

[Flanker2]

And in 2013:

Accident Lufthansa Cargo MD11 at Sao Paulo on Nov 24th 2013, tailscrape on landing
Incident Lufthansa A343 over Atlantic on Dec 23rd 2013, loss of cabin pressure
Incident Lufthansa A346 at Toronto on Dec 1st 2013 , landed without clearance
Accident Lufthansa A388 enroute on Nov 29th 2013, fumes injure 8 crew members
Incident Lufthansa A319 at Frankfurt on Nov 13th 2013, engine shut down in flight
Incident Lufthansa A321 near Berlin on Nov 8th 2013, burning odour in cockpit
Incident Lufthansa A343 at Newark on Oct 29th 2013, unidentifyable burning smell
Incident Lufthansa Cargo MD11 over Atlantic on Oct 18th 2013, electrical problems
Incident Augsburg DH8D near Prague on Aug 30th 2013, engine trouble
Incident Lufthansa A321 at Rome on Sep 29th 2013, unsafe gear after departure
Incident Lufthansa A319 at Munich on Sep 24th 2013, smoke in cockpit
Incident Lufthansa A321 at Stockholm on Sep 22nd 2013, engine surge
Incident Lufthansa A320 at Frankfurt on Sep 20th 2013, oil fumes on board
Incident Lufthansa Cityline CRJ7 near Frankfurt on Jun 18th 2013, loss of two generators, air driven generator deployed
Incident Lufthansa A320 at Barcelona on Sep 6th 2013, cabin did not pressurize
Incident Lufthansa B744 at Frankfurt on Aug 25th 2013, engine trouble
Incident Lufthansa A319 at Milan on Aug 11th 2013, engine trouble
Incident Lufthansa A346 at Hong Kong on Aug 15th 2013, suspected tail strike
Incident Lufthansa A346 over Atlantic on Aug 6th 2013, malfunctioning toilets
Accident Wizz A320 at Rome on Jun 8th 2013, left main gear did not extend
Incident Lufthansa A343 near Khartoum on Jul 6th 2013, loss of cabin pressure
Incident Lufthansa B744 near Detroit on Jul 2nd 2013, weather radar failure
Accident Lufthansa A320 at Zurich on Jun 26th 2013, strong smell in cabin
Incident Lufthansa A346 near Portland on Jun 27th 2013, electrical odour on board
Incident Lufthansa A333 near Amsterdam on Jun 25th 2013, electrical odour on board
Incident Lufthansa A320 near Milan on Jun 10th 2013, smoke indication
Accident Lufthansa A321 enroute on Jun 7th 2013, smell sickens three cabin crew
Incident Lufthansa Cargo MD11 near Mexico City on May 29th 2013, engine failure
Accident Lufthansa A333 at Chicago on Mar 5th 2013, undetected tailstrike on takeoff
Incident Lufthansa Cityline CRJ7 at Katowice on May 21st 2013, engine shut down in flight
Incident Lufthansa Cityline CRJ9 at Munich on May 17th 2013, nose gear steering problem
Incident Lufthansa A321 at Dusseldorf on May 16th 2013, rejected takeoff
Incident Lufthansa Cityline E190 at Krakow on May 13th 2013, flaps problem
Incident Lufthansa A346 at Munich on May 11th 2013, burst tyre on takeoff
Incident Lufthansa A343 enroute on May 10th 2013, fuel leak
Incident Lufthansa A321 at London on Oct 21st 2012, fumes in cabin
Incident Lufthansa A321 at London on Oct 21st 2012, fumes in cabin
Incident Lufthansa A321 at Helsinki on May 4th 2013, engine surges
Incident Lufthansa A346 near Black Tickle on Apr 25th 2013, electrical smell in galley
Incident Lufthansa A320 near Stockholm on Apr 21st 2013, burning odour on board
Incident Lufthansa A346 near Knock on Apr 1st 2013, cracked windshield
Incident Lufthansa B735 at Frankfurt and Graz on Mar 2nd 2013, odour in cockpit
Incident Lufthansa A319 at Shannon on Mar 29th 2013, could not retract gear
Incident Lufthansa A321 near Frankfurt on Dec 14th 2012, smoke in cabin and cockpit
Incident Lufthansa A321 near Prague on Mar 14th 2013, odour in cabin
Incident Lufthansa B744 over Atlantic on Mar 8th 2013, smoke on board
Incident Lufthansa E190 at Donetsk on Jan 18th 2013, rejected takeoff
Incident Augsburg DH8D at Munich on Feb 28th 2013, could not fully retract gear
Incident Lufthansa A388 near Bermuda on Feb 22nd 2013, electrical odour in cabin and cockpit
Incident Lufthansa B735 at Frankfurt on Feb 4th 2013, flaps problem
Incident Lufthansa B744 near Munich on Jan 26th 2013, wild west oven
Incident Lufthansa A321 at Ankara on Jan 24th 2013, smoke in cabin
Incident Lufthansa B733 near Frankfurt on Nov 8th 2012, blue haze and chemical smell
Incident Lufthansa Cargo MD11 at Krasnojarsk on Jan 18th 2013, rejected takeoff
Incident Lufthansa A321 near London on Oct 21st 2012, strong odour in cockpit and cabin
Incident Lufthansa Cargo MD11 at Mexico City on Oct 8th 2012, control problems due to fractured flap
Incident Lufthansa A321 at Munich on Jan 10th 2013, rejected takeoff

[Flanker2]

After all, Lufthansa's recent safety record is all but what you would expect from an industry leader, despite the general "reputation". This is a bit too much for me for a world class airline.

Flanker, get your facts right please:

http://www.jacdec.de/safety-ranking-2014/
and
http://www.jacdec.de/safety-ranking/air ... king-2013/

What is JACDEC? Never heard of it.
How do they measure their safety ratings? Is it a recognised standard?

I think that number and severity of occurences is the best measure of an airline's safety culture and Lufthansa's list is appaling.

[Flanker2]

Medic !

They might as well carry one around on their flights.
They're obvious specialists in fumes and smoke.

[Passenger]

Airlineratings.com (7 star safety assesment):

Lufthansa : 7/7
http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/49/lufthansa

Brussels Airlines : 6/7
http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/6 ... s-airlines

Ryanair : 5/7
http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/140/ryanair

[Flanker2]

Wonder how you can feel safe in your (once-a-year) airline after this:

Incident: Ryanair B738 at Alicante and Valencia on May 14th 2010, fuel emergency
http://avherald.com/h?article=42bf38c3/0000&opt=0

Have you seen this one?

Incident: Lufthansa A388 at Miami on May 15th 2014, landed below final fuel reserve

By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, May 30th 2014 15:09Z, last updated Friday, May 30th 2014 15:14Z
A Lufthansa Airbus A380-800, registration D-AIMD performing flight LH-462 from Frankfurt/Main (Germany) to Miami,FL (USA) with 427 people on board, was descending towards Miami, when the crew stopped the descent at 9000 feet due to weather conditions and entered a hold. After about 20 minutes holding the crew decided to divert to Orlando,FL, climbed to FL220 but aborted the flight to Orlando, turned around and decided to divert to Fort Lauderdale,FL, but again needed to decide to abort the approach to Fort Lauderdale due to weather declaring emergency because of being low on fuel. The crew decided to land in Miami as the weather had improved sufficiently in Miami. Upon checking in with Miami approach on approach to Miami the crew advised they had 5.2 tons of fuel remaining. The aircraft was vectored for an ILS approach to runway 27, went through a windshear (loss of 15 knots) about 2nm before touchdown, became visual at 400 feet AGL and landed safely on runway 27 at 15:26L (19:26Z) about 75 minutes after stopping the first descent at 9000 feet and about 13 minutes after reporting 5.2 tons of fuel remaining. The aircraft was instructed to roll to the end of the runway, vacate the runway there and follow the "Follow Me" vehicle awaiting the aircraft there.

Sources told The Aviation Herald, that the aircraft touched down with 3 tons of fuel remaining, which was below the required final fuel reserve.

The FAA confirmed on May 30th 2014, that the FAA have opened an investigation into the occurrence but advised that details would not be available before one month's time.

Avherald.com

A380 pilots are supposed to be the best and most senior ones right? Plus, they're supposed to carry extra fuel, whenever they feel they need to right, because they have no pressure to carry as little as possible? Yet, they clearly lost control of the situation here.

[Flanker2]

Airlineratings.com (7 star safety assesment):

Lufthansa : 7/7
http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/49/lufthansa

Brussels Airlines : 6/7
http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/6 ... s-airlines

Ryanair : 5/7
http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/140/ryanair

Is that the probability of dying on one of these airlines? Then it would make sense.

Does the airline operate only Russian built aircraft? If yes an additional star will be taken off the total. - See more at: http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/6 ... teQfE.dpuf

That's a great reason to take away a star... Some Russian aircraft types haven't seen a single hull loss and most accidents are owed to the operators.

Oh and by the way http://www.airlineratings.com/safety_ra ... ne.php?l=R
They apparently don't have the 2 stars for the IOSA certification, whatever that is...
IATA's self-proclaimed safety standard system is as good as useless in other than creating a reference standard. First because IATA does not have an official mandate for safety and they have no legal authority. Their regulations such as DGR, although recognised by many companies and governments, are not exclusive. So using this as a basis for a safety rating is ridiculous to start with.
ICAO regulations do have legal authority in signatory states.

So that safety rating is what I call a paper rating. The reality on the field is a liiitle bit different in that on a bad day, people die, and the number of stars on that website won't make a difference.

Take me as auditor on an audit, I'm pretty sure that I'll make siginificant findings at almost any operator to fine them or to ground them completely.
If you know where to look... and it's definitely not in the paperwork that they should be looking, like they're doing nowadays.

[FlightMate]

I honestly don't believe LH is more dangerous than other airlines around the world. However, I admit I am surprised to see in Flanker's list some incidents that could have been avoided. (like this one, or landing without clearance, tailstrikes, etc...)
I hope their pilots (who were known for their good standards) don't become arrogant, overconfident. A bit like the few pilots who bring shame to AF?

[Homo Aeroportus]

The new runway is marked with the standard " X " to show it is closed , and both pilots didn't see that ? Tsssss......

Well, maybe worth putting a few facts under consideration.

ILS & DME on RWY 27 u/s per NOTAM.
APP HI Lights on RWY 27 u/s per NOTAM.
Threshold wing bar lights RWY 27 u/s per NOTAM.

- APP flown by LH1360 was VOR, which is offset by 11° (eleven !).
- Heading is 277°
- RWY Hdg is 266°
- At this location, at 15:51z, the sun elevation is only 26°and its azimuth is 274° i.e. just slightly on your left and aligned with the RWY.
- The RWY you are supposed to land is 750m further away, aligned with the low sun, and has a much lower contrast with the surroundings than this immaculate clear concrete strip right in front of you.
- The cross painted near the threshold of the RWY under construction does not comply with ICAO standard par Annex 14, Vol 1, Paragraph 7.

Of course the above does not exclude the possibility that this was an inevitable accident considering the terrible safety record of that crappy airline and who knows the pilots may have been drunk.

H.A.

[AirOpinion]

After all, Lufthansa's recent safety record is all but what you would expect from an industry leader, despite the general "reputation".

Avherald gives for 2014:
Incident Lufthansa CRJ7 at Katowice on Jul 5th 2014, lands on runway under construction
Incident Lufthansa A346 at Philadelphia on Jun 15th 2014, could not fully retract landing gear
...

Who knows, how many more?
This is a bit too much for me for a world class airline.

I guess on Avherald you only read what is being reported...

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Polish authorities approved take off from the unfinished runway.

[euroflyer]

that was certainly not a great job from LH and its crew ... and I have to admit I am surprised it happened

however, in order to put the safety record in the right perspective it would be necessary to see the same list as given by Flanker for LH in 2013 and 2014 for other big European airlines with lots of long haul and short haul flights (like AF, BA, IB). And than one still would have to look into the question do the other have less (IF they have less) because there are less or because they report less ??? Because that is a part of a good safety culture as well to report each and every issue, even if it is a minor one which at the moment of reporting might not be important.

Without such a comparison the list does not say anything ...

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The Polish State Commission on Aircraft Accident Investigation (SCAAI) released their preliminary report in Polish.

The controller asked the crew whether they would prefer a visual approach. The crew agreed. The aircraft flew through rain showers which limited the visibility.

When the tower noticed the aircraft had touched down on the runway under construction instead of the existing (operative) runway, he radioed the crew about obstacles on the runway and the necessity to stop as quickly as possible.

Full report with pictures: http://avherald.com/h?article=476dea26/0001&opt=0